Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay. Good evening, calling the planning board meeting for the city of Boulder planning board for Thursday, November 19 2020 to order Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We have a quorum. And the first order of business is just to turn it over to our moderator gene data and she is going to lay down some ground rules for this virtual meeting gene Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Great. Okay. I’m just Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Just allowing our planning direct our new planning director into the meeting Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, we’re going to introduce you Harmon Zuckerman, PB: In a little bit. So let’s, uh, we’ll give you your time just to get the meeting started and and Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Get introduce him Okay Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Alright welcome everybody. This is the city of Boulder planning board meeting Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): We are aiming to keep these meetings respectful and orderly and, as such, we have a little bit of protocol that we should just go through quickly Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Any activities that disrupt delay or interfere with the meeting are prohibited Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): And just as it would be if we were meeting in person. The time for asked for speaking or asking questions is limited so either I or Harmon, the Board Chair will recognize folks Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Members of the public to speak and we’ll ask you to unmute it at the appropriate time will need everyone attending to address the Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Intending to address the board to please show a full name. If your name. If your full name is not currently displayed please change it or you can send it to me in the chat and I’m happy to change it for you Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Know video will be permitted except for board staff and applicants and all others will participate by voice only Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Harmon, and I or Cindy will enforce these rules by muting anyone who violates the rules, so please don’t do that Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): And the chat function should only be used for technical issues to communicate with me or Cindy as the host Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): It’s not the place to ask questions about any of the content, the board members are not allowed to have side Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Electronic conversations. And frankly, it’s too hard for all of us to monitor that and pay attention to the discussion. So please use chat to me or to Cindy only for technical issues Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): And only staff and board members will be allowed to share their screens Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): When we get when we open the public hearing so members of the public, you’ll use that raise hand function to indicate that you’d like to speak Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): You should find this easily at the bottom of your screen. If there’s anyone here by phone, they can use star nine to raise their hand will call on folks who have raised hands and unmute them. And as I mentioned testimony will be by voice only Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Let’s see, we’ll have three minutes to speak to address the board and this is really out of fairness, we don’t like to cut folks off so please try to stay to that three minutes, I’ll give you a 32nd warning and then a time’s up Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): will chime, let’s see, did you do full name or not. Okay. And we’re not allowing any pooling of time for this meeting. Cindy Harmon. Did I miss anything Harmon Zuckerman, PB: No did great. Thanks Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Great, thank you very much. Here we go Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay well as as as part of the extended call to order. Tonight I want to turn it over to Charles Pharaoh, who is going to introduce a very important person to us. So Charles Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: Great. Thanks very much. Good evening. Chair, members of the board. I’m very pleased to introduce Jacob Lindsey our new Director of Planning and Development Services Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: Jacob joins us from the city of Charleston, South Carolina, where he served as the Director planning preservation and sustainability. We’re very excited to have him on board. It’s been an action packed week for him so far. So please join me in welcoming Jacob Jacob Lindsey: Oh, Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Welcome Jacob Lindsey: Thank you. Thank you. Charles and thank you. A members of the planning board. And, Mr. Chair Jacob Lindsey: I just briefly, I just like to say that I’m completely honored and humbled by the opportunity to serve the community of older it’s as your new Director of Planning and Development Services Jacob Lindsey: Among the many privileges disposition or the opportunities to work with your world class planning staff whom I’ve had the privilege of meeting, almost all of them Jacob Lindsey: The time spent with you as an appointed board and the chance to help further the legacy of innovative planning that the city of Boulder has pioneered over the years Jacob Lindsey: So I’m thankful for the opportunity and look forward to working with each and every one of you as we go forward together, and I’ll turn it back over to you. Charles Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: Thanks very much, Jacob Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: All right, Mr. Terry, I think we’re ready to get into regular business Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, thank you. Really great to have you. Jacob and looking forward to working with you. And so our next order is much less exciting than that. We’re just gonna

Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We’re just gonna have a vote on whether or not to approve the October 22 2020 minutes which Cindy prepared in which were sent out some time ago I think everybody had an opportunity to make any amendments to those minutes so Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Does anybody have any discussion around APPROVAL OF MINUTES, before I call for emotion. Okay. Do we have a motion to approve the October 22 2020 minutes John Gerstle PB: Or move to approve them Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And john get a second Lisa Smith PB: And I’ll second Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, I saw the pizza. First, I’m going to give her the second sorry, Lisa. So we’ve got a motion by crystal seconded by Montoya, and I’ll go for a roll roll call vote. At this point, David and sign Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yes, Lisa Smith, yes Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Peter Montoya Lupita D Montoya: Yes Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Tara silver yes john gristle Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yes, you know, Vitaly Peter Vitale PB: You betcha Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And I will vote yes so the Minutes are approved next order of business on the agenda is public participation. This is Harmon Zuckerman, PB: The time when members of the public who want to address the planning board may address the planning board on items that aren’t on the public hearing agenda tonight. We don’t have any public hearings Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We have a couple of call ups and a couple of matters. So really anything that is of concern to the citizenry and and folks who want to alert the planning board to any issues, it’s fair game. So Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I’m going to turn it over to Jean. Jean. Can you moderate this public participation segment of our agenda, please Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Will do. Thanks Harmon Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): I see folks out there for folks that have their hands up at the moment we have hard behind Mark McIntyre Jan Burton hurt Nord back and also Michael bazemore so Michael at near you were in here first. So Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Looks like Lynn Siegel and David. Okay, good. We’ve got a budget everybody’s finding that the raise hand function. Um, let’s start with HARVEY. Harvey, you’ve got three minutes, I’m going to you, you should be able to unmute and I will start the timer harveyhine: Can you hear me Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): We can, you can go ahead harveyhine: Right. My name is Harvey behind. I live at 1701 15 street downtown boulder. I’ve lived in Boulder since 1974 harveyhine: I have been an architect only my company’s is 1989 I like to welcome Jacob to a new position. I’ve worked with many playing directors over the years and have enjoyed their different work styles look forward to this one. Um, I am here to kind of harveyhine: Back Megan’s newsletter. He has seven items on that newsletter, I presume, you’re all familiar with them. I very much back all seven of those items that he lists. I think they’re harveyhine: long overdue. They’re complete no brainers I think that’d be really good for boulder particularly item number three harveyhine: Allowing your housing department to provide real incentives for workforce and affordable housing harveyhine: I don’t know why this hasn’t happened in the past. It just makes so much sense. And I think that’s also good way to integrate low income housing with other socio economic harveyhine: Residential situations, instead of separating them out and separate areas, for example, if there was a development capability that you got an extra fit for low income housing harveyhine: Then you would have a mixed use project of different people have different economies and that’s always good for everybody involved. So I really would push you to follow recommendation number three, as long as all the others. Thank you Sarah Silver PB: I’m Sarah Silver PB: Sorry Sarah Silver PB: A chair. I have no idea what it is that what newsletter is being referred to Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So Sarah I think we can just ask him, Harvey, you said Megan’s newsletter and I assume you mean you can calls, but you might give us 10 seconds on what that is harveyhine: Okay, I just lost it harveyhine: Basically its harveyhine: housing issues. Let’s see if I can find that again. Yeah, so the seminar breezy accelerate the East folder sub community plan so that cop completion can turn into action harveyhine: Number two, now’s the time to implement forum based code and album blood balsam the single element could be the key bringing house into the critical site

harveyhine: Three, which I like the most let’s be more like Longmont following our housing department to provide real incentives for workforce that affordable housing harveyhine: Number four, commit to a study of planning reserved for housing sustainability, there is no reason, this cannot begin to harveyhine: An end and nine months. Number five. Use this moment to implement minimum that’s us along our transportation quarters minimum densities max most harveyhine: Broadway 28 30th Street Arapahoe pearl baseline give urgency and support to the park in working group to be bold bold by Jackie parking minimums and Institute parking maximums permit at us on all single family lots harveyhine: That’s it David David Ensign PB: I just located that newsletter that was sent out from making to planning board. It came out at 6:10pm so I found it. Actually, it was still turned into my spam folder. I don’t know why, but anyway David Ensign PB: Hopefully people can David Ensign PB: Locate that you Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Know, thanks for the heads up. All right. Gene back to you Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Okay great, thanks. Harvey. Next, we’ll have Michael Bosman than Mark McIntyre then Jan, Michael, you can go ahead Michael Bosma: That first let me welcome you, Jacob. It’s great to have you on board and it’s great that we hired somebody Michael Bosma: I’m I’m talking in regards to the potential call upon the Walnut Street property and I wanted to give you guys a brief update and I’m sure that you’ve seen the memo and everything it’s applicable to it Michael Bosma: Um, let me just give you a quick background of why we’re even here at site, site review and Michael Bosma: We never intended to be at site review and we have followed through our development process Michael Bosma: Everything that goes by the BRC revised development intensity standards for this property Michael Bosma: As you guys know, it was owned by the sep tember school, previous to us and operated for many years as September school and Michael Bosma: At one point in time, they went through prior to a site review process a pod Michael Bosma: That pod was put into place for the establishment of the use of the garage on the site to be a band studio Michael Bosma: It was approved and accepted in the US it was binding and city staff has the, the ability to remove previous few days as long as the property is conforming Michael Bosma: Well, when working with the stork staff and our voluntary land marketing of this property. The main house as we want to. It’s beautiful Michael Bosma: It, we realized that the existing house and structure is within the new set back limits by a couple feet Michael Bosma: And instead of saying let’s relocate the house or let’s move the house a few feedback and ever said let’s just go through site review and we will Michael Bosma: Will make the site conforming in all aspects parking Michael Bosma: Density intensity dwelling all everything that’s by right by code and but in doing that, we need to come before your board. So we’ve gone through this and I’m sure we might have some comments about the use and I want to be very clear on the use of this property Michael Bosma: In the use table six dash one. You guys know that the, you know, we don’t define anything as a Michael Bosma: drug rehab facility or anything like that, it falls within the 36 anyways we are Michael Bosma: 100% sober living and I want to get that out that this is not a drug rehab facility. And if you look at our management plan on here for questions Michael Bosma: Throughout this we have made it very, very clear that this is a sober living facility Michael Bosma: This is a place where counseling will take place. This is a place where people can go to work and they can come back and they need a little extra help after the fact Michael Bosma: And the fact that we meet all the standards of what the code applies by I just feel like we’d be doing, you know, it would be interesting that we’re no longer, you know, abiding by the actual code. And if you guys have questions, let me know. So I appreciate it. Thanks Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Thank you, Michael Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Next up is Mark McEntire Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Mark, you can go ahead and unmute yourself Mark McIntyre: Hi, good evening. Planning Board Mark McIntyre, I am currently serving as the Vice Chair of the transportation advisory board, but my comments tonight are strictly my own

Mark McIntyre: Um, I noticed that on your agenda tonight, like ours at our next meeting is your letter to counsel and it’s always a tricky thing of how to how to do that without violating Cora, but yet produce something that Mark McIntyre: Is satisfactory to everyone on your board and I just wanted to offer that Mark McIntyre: Tabs letter to counsel or the last several years Mark McIntyre: We haven’t achieved our goals Mark McIntyre: And in our letter and and I think that might be that we were have been too broad maybe looking too big and and my, my advice and what I hope that we do, since I’m not offering at this year Mark McIntyre: Is to focus on really measurable outcomes and in your case, I would encourage Mark McIntyre: You to focus on housing, how many units did we achieve new units did we achieve in Boulder between the last letter to counsel and the next letter to counsel, so Mark McIntyre: The other thing I wanted to comment on tonight and does go back to the letter to counsel Mark McIntyre: I can say that over the last several years, we have always put parking reform in our letter in our recommendation to Mark McIntyre: To council that that this is a topic that needs to be addressed. And finally, we now have a working group that’s addressing this and I hope that that I am not the tab representative to that to that working group Mark McIntyre: But I hope that that working group does eventually in relation to housing, create parking standards that can be applied Mark McIntyre: Wage I guess what I’m saying is wage the battle now so that you create parking Mark McIntyre: maximums rather than minimums and deal with this in such a big way that you’re not dealing with parking on a subjective basis project by project, get the battle over with and then use use that as a tool as you go forward Mark McIntyre: Evaluating different housing projects Mark McIntyre: And finally, I have one little bit of urgency in relation to parking and that is we are about to embark upon the North Broadway pavement reconstruction Mark McIntyre: And we’ve made a lot of progress there. I am in favor of the new design. And that’s going to be an ongoing project Mark McIntyre: But an area for me that I think needs to be changed is the parking on the east side of Broadway between violet and Lee Hill is currently unpaid Mark McIntyre: That needs that is the perfect spot for paid parking and I would appreciate planning board support and making sure as we redevelop that we have the infrastructure for that to be paid parking. Thank you Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Thanks, Mark Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Okay, next up we have Jan Burton followed by curtain are back, followed by Lynn Siegel Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Can you can go ahead Jan Burton: Good evening. Planning Board members and thank you for your service to our community Jan Burton: First of all, I’d like to welcome Jacob. It’s great to have you. And Jacob, I would like you to consider that this might be a great time to take a new view of processes and I’ll refer to that in just a minute Jan Burton: I am on the board of create boulder, which is an ethics advocacy group for the arts and I happen to be on the Arts Commission board meeting last night Jan Burton: They were having the same discussion, you will be about what will be your letter to Council and I saw some intersection points there that were very interesting. One of course is the big H housing Jan Burton: And the impact of the cost of housing on arts professionals artists, musicians staff members is Jan Burton: Is incredibly terrible. I think we are often mentioned as being the third highest we have the third highest number of artists in the country Jan Burton: But I would venture to say, a lot of them do not live in Boulder. They live in the sound in the surrounding community because they can’t afford to live in Boulder and that that’s not a good situation Jan Burton: So anything that can be done about housing would be fantastic. And it’s another twist on that is, it can be very supportive of our art and creative community Jan Burton: Secondly, you may or may not have your eyes on this one, but that is the public art program, the processes and red tape are unbelievable

Jan Burton: And it actually causes a lot of installations to not happen. An example of that is in my own neighborhood were in Beach Park Jan Burton: The university students were working on a wonderful project that the neighborhood was very much in favor of the Arts Council, Commission was in favor of Jan Burton: The Parks and Rec board was in favor of and boom, it hit the planning group and suddenly became an edu Jan Burton: So I think that’s one thing. And we are we in the in the age of code. We are all starving for ways that we as a community can come around Jan Burton: We can heal an art is one way to do that. So I would really like you to consider to to support the the planning group to simplify the processes and the red tape around public are. And finally, I did not plan to talk about this, but Jan Burton: I am also for sober living facilities in these ages of mental health issues all communities need to welcome that kind of facility. And so I would support that being being built in in Boulder. Thank you very much for your service and good luck tonight Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): THANK YOU, JOHN Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Okay, next up is Kurt. Kurt, you can go ahead Kurt Nordback: I also want to welcome Jacob. I think it’s great to have you here. We’re very excited to have you joining the city Kurt Nordback: I wouldn’t talk tonight on amps. I want to express my support for both reworking the NPP and for reexamining pricing for on street and off street parking Kurt Nordback: These are modest but positive steps in beginning to bring our parking policies in line with our goals and values as a city Kurt Nordback: In particular, parking policies should reflect our climate visions euro equity and TMP goals and recognize that all public parking and most private parking, meaning that portion that’s above and beyond what the market would provide on its own is an enormous subsidy for cars and driving Kurt Nordback: The middle says that all build rights interact with the NPP and pay parking and therefore the highest level of public engagement that collaborate level is appropriate for this project Kurt Nordback: Certainly not all boulder rights interact with these programs. I personally do not Kurt Nordback: All else equal, greater public engagement is good, of course, but it comes with the trade off of a slower and more expensive process. So to balance public engagement with expeditiously moving forward. I’d support someone lower level of engagement Kurt Nordback: The memo also says that the project should quote understand that a multimodal city includes parking to Kurt Nordback: Honestly, that seems like an all lives matter, kind of a statement given how pervasive and inescapable parking and car centered design are in the city Kurt Nordback: Boulder probably has about half a million parking spaces based on studies from other cities. So getting defensive about parking just seems tone deaf and not reflective of the huge imbalance Kurt Nordback: In the amount of money acreage and energy we devote to cars versus human powered modes in this city Kurt Nordback: Finally, I’m very encouraged today staff are continuing to work on the parking code changes and I’m eager to see what comes out of that effort and hope that it can happen to again I’d urge that we be bold in beginning to align our code with our stated goals and values. Thanks Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): THANK YOU. Curt Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Next up, we’ve got Lynn Siegel making calls and Claudia has something when you can go ahead Lynn Segal: Yo, Jacob. First of all, if and if my Lynn Segal: Sound doesn’t come through. Would you please let me know immediately anyone. Um, yeah, Jacob. I like the fact that you use the my favorite word integrated. So let’s see if that’s going to happen and Lynn Segal: Let’s see Lynn Segal: The fact that I can’t see you, and you can’t see me. I mean, I can see you, but you can’t see me is horrific in this community that after eight months, we still don’t have video windows for our public and Lynn Segal: I’m here shaking in my boots, because I have a hearing with the board of assessment appeals tomorrow and my property tax Lynn Segal: And interestingly, in 2003 I brought it down from 215 me from 615,000 to 487,000, it seems, in the last few years that was 2003 that it’s been going up and up as far as being

Lynn Segal: Variable, you know, for individuals. And to me, that seems interesting Lynn Segal: And we and concerning because I have to go up against these lawyers and unless I hire a lawyer and then I’ve spent all the money that I would save in Texas. Anyway, and it just drives out up the cost of housing in Boulder Lynn Segal: And that I’m complaining about which is really unchangeable, you know, unless something gets done and we have Lynn Segal: Jacob on $200,000 parking spaces in Boulder up on the hill, Steve. Pomerance profile this and and this is concerning Lynn Segal: As to add us great, but if we don’t have a change in occupancy Lynn Segal: If, in my case, I have a main house and an outbuilding Lynn Segal: I couldn’t make that into an edu. But what’s the point, then I have to heating and cooling systems and I can only have three people in an 1800 square foot house of my main house. So what’s my motivation Lynn Segal: And spending. Who knows how much for sprinkler system in in the new space. And so if you’re going to promote at us. You’ve got to do something to incentivize them as well Lynn Segal: And as far as 1902 walnut Michael basma once threatened me and another neighborhood member who were opposing the 311 and said that he would put up Lynn Segal: A heroin treatment center on that property if we went through with our fighting for all the subsidies is against all the subsidies that the city of Boulder was providing seven of them actually Lynn Segal: giveaways to the 311 project on the wildfire urban inner you know the wildlife urban interface where wildfires are going to come in and affect the senior community that’s to live there Lynn Segal: So I don’t put a lot of stock into the fact that he’s saying this is not a drug rehab and recovery counseling center. It absolutely is. It says that, you know, it’s defined that way. So let’s not put lipstick on a pig Lynn Segal: And do not approve of anything that he asked for keep him in his setbacks. He stuck with moving his building if he has to and Lynn Segal: I find very disingenuous. Anyway, thanks Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Thanks. Lynn. Next up, David Adamson Oh wait, oh, where’s my list. Okay. Yep Wait Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Did I say making next, I’m not really sure where the list the list all moved Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Okay, how about how about we go with David Adamson then making cows and then Claudia Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): David, you can go ahead Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Oh, there we go Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): You can go ahead Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): David Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Okay, we’ll come back we’ll come back to you Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Megan. Are you ready Macon Cowles: Hi everybody this is making calls. I live in 17th and maple time Macon Cowles: I want to talk to you tonight about housing with a focus on the letter that you’re going to be discussing late in your meeting to the letter to city council that you send every year at this time Macon Cowles: About the issues that deserve the attention of the city. During the next year. I really enjoy Macon Cowles: Coming before planning board I I hold this board really close to my heart because I served on this board for five years while I was on this board Macon Cowles: I remember going with Jean Gazza we and several of us from the planning department to the American Planning Association meeting in San Francisco to try to pick up our skills learn some things about what other cities were doing Macon Cowles: But as you folks know housing is a crisis in our city. We’ve identified it as such. And in 2017 we adopted the middle income housing strategy which commits that we’re going to David Adamson: Be April heard that the thing is beeping Macon Cowles: Hello Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Now you can go ahead and make it Macon Cowles: Okay, that Macon Cowles: THE MIDDLE INCOME HOUSING strategy commits us to create 3500 new affordable and workforce units that’s both subsidized and unsubsidized units that can be afforded by people

Macon Cowles: With middle income jobs by the year 2030 we’ve actually done a good job this year we’re going to bring in somewhat in excess of 220 Macon Cowles: New affordable units, but this is an unusual year is a combination of three years work at bringing in those units. Otherwise, we are going to be far off of the mark Macon Cowles: And that’s why I sent a newsletter to some colleagues today, pointing out some issues that I felt were the salient some salient issues that could be emphasized by the city during the next year Macon Cowles: But what I want to talk about, because I’m I’m concerned about so many of our frontline workers not being able to find housing in our city at all Macon Cowles: And by frontline I don’t just mean first responders, but I mean the people that we see in the stores that are important enough to our city that even under a lockdown like the one that’s starting at five o’clock tomorrow in our county Macon Cowles: The workers that still have to serve us and the grocery stores and other essential businesses Macon Cowles: So what I’m hopeful that you’ll point out to counsel in the letter that you send to them is the importance of two things Macon Cowles: One is doing a baseline urban services study to study the planning reserve because it’s very clear that we cannot meet our housing needs within the current urban service boundary within area one Macon Cowles: And the second is to look at the success of the program since it was since the register the regulations were loosen two years ago Macon Cowles: And permit eight years as a matter of right and all single family zoning throughout the city Macon Cowles: And with that, I, I hope you’ll keep those in mind when you discuss the importance of housing and how you can light a fire under the Council to move this forward. Thanks a lot, and I, I wish all of you. Well, hope you’re staying safe and and enjoy the rest of the meeting Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Thank you, Megan Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Okay, next up, David. David Adamson and then Claudia Hansen theme and then Lisa Gunther David Adamson: Hi there. Can you hear me David Adamson: We can go ahead. Dave all lovely well David Adamson: Good evening, wonderful staff planning board members and our new especially our new planning director. I’m David Adamson the executive director of Goose Creek community land trust David Adamson: Community Land Trust organized local people to build permanently affordable housing on city or a nonprofit own land and our scope is in Boulder County and I just want to add to make us great list three sort out of the weeds ideas, number one David Adamson: Is that we need to change the frame David Adamson: You know as Lincoln said in his Gettysburg Address. Let’s we need to descend Thrall ourselves and we will save our country David Adamson: You know we resigned ourselves to seeing housing as this Gordian Knot which cannot be cut David Adamson: You know, because of whatever market forces Americans don’t want to give up cars single family home owners don’t want any density next to them, etc David Adamson: But we can add all the housing, you need for our workforce without a public subsidy without obscuring anyone’s view while decreasing auto congestion auto pollution auto global warming and bike Penn auto deaths and injuries, while improving neighborhood character and characters David Adamson: Improving city finances and the local economy. And if we do that, we will attack the segregation by race and income and age that is at the heart of today’s polarization David Adamson: And they continuing nightmare. I’ve been just this it has sustained us land us from the beginning of colonization and they sent some of you David Adamson: An image of, you know, what’s happened with for sale low income housing in this town, which was once plentiful obviously in the post war era era David Adamson: And then all really until 2000 when people like me and a few others got in under the wire to purchase something anyway David Adamson: It’s completely collapse. It’s, it’s just no longer there. But before. So number two. Before I go to the you know more about the how and I do provide a couple of David Adamson: Images from our work, we work with housing experts all over this town and beyond at alpine balsam in here on North street, you know, how could we do this and David Adamson: I’ll get back to that right at the end but but number two, you know, we, why should we do this because we must, it’s what we believe all the values that vulnerability comprehensive plan screaming out David Adamson: climate and biodiversity collapse mean we must have deeply resilient communities. So we have to work together, we can do it. We did it on open space. We did it on the pro Street Mall. We didn’t buying alpine balsam. We have to stop vilifying each other

David Adamson: We can oppose ideas, but let’s understand the deeper aspects of each other’s point of views David Adamson: As exposed by Shanker Vedanta, and please listen to his hidden brain podcast about moral convictions and people like me who are in the grip of more more conventions. Okay, number three David Adamson: You know, getting back down into the house. We have to change the model our existing model of affordable housing is broken. We can’t keep adding luxury units and a few affordable units for the for folks below 60% of their mind David Adamson: That one Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Is broken please wrap up Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Okay, time David Adamson: Or we have to stop building like your units or severely limit them please I sent you a link. Let’s revisit my ass for you revisit the back porch groups housing consensus and consider our pilot program that I talked to you about may 28. Thank you so much Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Thank you, David Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Okay, next up clients and theme Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Lisa Gunther and Bill Hickey, and those are all the hands that I see up if Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Anyone else would like to speak to the board. Please go ahead and put your hand up Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Claudia. You can go ahead Claudia Hanson Thiem: Thank you, Jean. Good morning, members of the planning board. Welcome, Jacob. This is Claudia handsome theme I live in the holiday neighborhood of North boulder Claudia Hanson Thiem: I’m usually happier listening in here, but I wanted to share a few comments on this year and letter that you’ll be signing to city council Claudia Hanson Thiem: And I really appreciate it. Back in October that your earlier conversation about this exercise kind of cast aside councils canned questions and Claudia Hanson Thiem: Some of you went straight to the issues of climate change and racism and I really hope that those big issues. Stay front and center and whatever you send out Claudia Hanson Thiem: I think there’s a tendency to see the work of this board as a series of one off project reviews and I’m really guilty of that too. It’s kind of my local politics comfort food, but the broader plans and policies that this board can support can do so much more for the city Claudia Hanson Thiem: I really appreciate it. The advocacy for more housing Claudia Hanson Thiem: And more flavors from Harvey and mark and Jan and Megan and David tonight and I share that priority. I want to echo that Claudia Hanson Thiem: I think it’s a slow process in Boulder, but I hope we can continue to push for more housing options in single family neighborhoods and that we can use multifamily housing to anchor truly walkable mixed use neighborhoods. When we have larger parcels and area plans in place Claudia Hanson Thiem: There’s a couple more specific things on my mind for this letter. The first is parking. I’m glad that Kurt spoke to that earlier. And I’m happy to see the amps program on the agenda tonight Claudia Hanson Thiem: I hope that that program at least leads to a more accurate pricing of the public right of way Claudia Hanson Thiem: But I think the other question here, as Mark mentioned is that of parking minimums and maximums. And to me, this feels like an essential companion project to what you’ve been doing on the use tables Claudia Hanson Thiem: Essentially, because our kind of outdated parking requirements undermined, so many of our efforts to really create walkable zones and also Matt really affordable housing, it adds expenses Claudia Hanson Thiem: What we have to have parking their parking has been on the city’s work plan for a while but Council seems content to punt on it. And this fall. They even suggested trading it for faster work on occupancy limits, if I remember correctly Claudia Hanson Thiem: I think it’s a long overdue priority, and it really shouldn’t be used as a bargaining chip, it’s time to do some work on it Claudia Hanson Thiem: The other thing on my mind. Tonight is actually an individual project that seems to have fallen off the radar and that’s the Alpine balsam project Claudia Hanson Thiem: And we went through a huge amount of public process on alpine balsam to get that area plan approved in 2019 and it feels like it’s disappeared since then Claudia Hanson Thiem: Meanwhile, we have a dead space in central boulder neighborhood there that has really good bones as a neighborhood Claudia Hanson Thiem: And it’s rapidly becoming a financial drag on the city. So I hope that you will urge council to start fast tracking that for redevelopment whether the city itself wants to be the developer Claudia Hanson Thiem: Or find builders that will suit its goals there. So I hope you learn to cancel the keep things moving. I’m going to go back to listening now and look forward to your discussion later. Thanks Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Perfectly timed Claudia. Thank you. Next up is Lisa Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): LISA You can go ahead Lisa Gunther (They/Them): Alrighty. Um, thank you for allowing me to talk. This is a little off the cuff I on someone’s mailing list and received the housing letter that came out from Lisa Gunther (They/Them): From Megan, thank you for that. I’m speaking you tonight from Boulder meadows. I live in Lisa Gunther (They/Them): The only area. Well, one of the areas that we are self subsidize low income housing

Lisa Gunther (They/Them): And I just really wanted to let you know that we are creeping Lisa Gunther (They/Them): Quickly towards being not affordable housing, they are going to raise our lot rent. Again, this January 1 will all on normal size loss be paying $795 as a base rate Lisa Gunther (They/Them): I will be okay. But that’s less and less of my income that I could use towards investments and paying down student loans Lisa Gunther (They/Them): But there are some of my neighbors that are not so lucky and others in this hundred coded that Lisa Gunther (They/Them): Are scrounging to get support from places like Africa in order to pay their lot rents and I was wondering, since Lisa Gunther (They/Them): We are already zoned for only manufactured housing. What will happen when you to prop, which is a publicly traded corporation that gets all of our lot rent and it doesn’t do much to benefit Boulder County Lisa Gunther (They/Them): What would you think about Lisa Gunther (They/Them): The city taking taking us over and keeping these lot rents regulated down to a place that truly continue to be affordable rather than, you know, drive us off and they put rental units in here so Lisa Gunther (They/Them): We all are homeowners and even though we don’t actually own that piece of ground is underneath my 75 by 14 trailer, but I’ve lived here for over 20 years and I’m an involved community member and so are my neighbors Lisa Gunther (They/Them): I would love for you to think about that as well Lisa Gunther (They/Them): Thank you. That’s really all I had to say tonight Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Thank you, Lisa Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Metal holic is next Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): You can go ahead Bill Holicky: Lucky principle and architect with covert architecture quickly a little aside Bill Holicky: Most people don’t understand just how much work planning board is and when I was on the board. What made that work a lot more palatable was to come together and Bill Holicky: Kind of share the meal ahead of time with my fellow planning board members and have that kind of collegial atmosphere and talk about all the issues and Bill Holicky: You guys are doing this hard work without that benefit. So just a quick note, thank you for doing all this in isolation. That’s really hard and it’s tough to sit in your house and have these meetings all the time. So thank you for doing that Bill Holicky: Jacob welcome and hopefully after a few weeks. You are a few months of getting to know all the archetypes and Bill Holicky: Applicants in town. You’re sick of us, we’ll see how that goes. But you have a great staff and this is a great board and good luck drinking from the Firehose Bill Holicky: I’m here to answer any questions you might have about 1902. I just wanted to make one clarification of what Michael said Bill Holicky: We have designed the product to meet all of this review standards Bill Holicky: The exception of that front setback that house the existing September school is in that setback. So, of course, by not moving the house, we are modifying that setback Bill Holicky: And we are slightly modifying the setback as well to move the new building a little bit further away for the September school Bill Holicky: And then one last point I wanted to thank landmarks landmarks. Dr. See, we had a pretty robust process with them to make sure that the new building Bill Holicky: Was complimentary to the September school but didn’t modify or change or overwhelming in any way. We had a lot of conversations about how the September school will be restored, especially in the back Bill Holicky: CRC was really helpful with all of that in the project did change through that process Bill Holicky: So just a thank you to staff and the DR C for working through that and as we all know that building and special and we’re feeling Bill Holicky: Really good that we’ve got some really great consensus about how that will be preserved through this project. So thanks for everything there. And again, if there’s any questions. When you get to the call up I’m around as well Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Thanks, Bill Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Okay, I see no other hands. If anyone else would like to address the report, please raise your hand. Now, Jean Gatza, Moderator (she/her): Herman, I think back to you Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Hey, thanks gene Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Alright, thanks for all that public comment. We don’t usually have that much in general public comment. We don’t usually entertain former planning board and city council members

Harmon Zuckerman, PB: A lot of a lot of important Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Things were said, and we’ll take that into consideration next item on the agenda is the discussion of dispositions planning board call ups and continuations Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And the first call up. We’ve already heard a bit about, it’s a site review amendment for redevelopment of 1902 walnut side of the former September school with the new building Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Along with repurposing and land marking of the historic resource on the property and a 52 bed drug rehabilitation and recovery group home the group home is under a separate conditional use review ADR Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Triple and is not subject to call it by the planning board, the decision may be called up before planning board honor before November 20 2020 which is tomorrow. So the first thing that I’ll do is just ask if there are any planning board members who need to make any disclosures Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Or recuse themselves around this matter raise a hand if you have anything Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Chung gusto Harmon Zuckerman, PB: John can you unmute please John Gerstle PB: Now, sorry John Gerstle PB: I visited the site several times and have become familiar with the area. But no, no problem, participating Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Anybody else Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay then. I just want to make a point of clarification, we heard the word Michael bazemore during general public comment mentioned a code section Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I want to point you to a paragraph in the middle of the second page of the staff report, which is for the land use code section 961 of the code Harmon Zuckerman, PB: A group home uses a conditional use within the RH to zoning district that is subject to specific standards Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Only and not subject to discretionary review or call up consideration by the planning board Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So to the extent that anybody would be interested in calling this matter up Harmon Zuckerman, PB: The only a latitude that we have as a planning board would be around the site review criteria and whether or not this meets the site review criteria that is Harmon Zuckerman, PB: totally distinct from the use criteria for the conditional use, which we don’t have authority over. So the question here is, is really is the Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Is the parking setbacks those things that we look at insight review are those meritorious of a call up or do we let the staff approval stand. So does anybody want to call this banner up Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Nice questions. Yeah, we can totally talk to staff and we can talk to each other, get asked questions. So you want to start with a question Sarah Silver PB: Yeah, I mean, JOHN. JOHN had something he wanted to say as well. So I just, I had a I was Sarah Silver PB: Asked questions about definitions Sarah Silver PB: In the proposal or the application. It’s defined as a group home and also as a congregant care facility at least the congregant care label is utilized and those are very different kinds of Sarah Silver PB: Projects with different kinds of parking components. And so I just I’d love some clarification from staff Sarah Silver PB: About what what actually is the right definition for this project Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: Lead you want to respond to them Elaine McLaughlin: You bet Elaine McLaughlin: Everyone Elaine McLaughlin, I’m case manager on the application. And if you go to, let’s see, it’s it’s page to have 153 of the staff memo. It does describe group home facility Elaine McLaughlin: And it’s this category of facility includes without limitation group homes for persons who are 60 years of age or older group homes for the developmentally disabled or mentally ill drug or alcohol abuse or Elaine McLaughlin: rehabilitation centers and facilities for persons with acquired immune deficiency syndrome Elaine McLaughlin: So the determination was made that it is a group home Sarah Silver PB: So, Elaine on page 31 of the whole process of the whole proposal. This is what the that page happens to be within the transportation component. They very specifically say that it is a congregant care facility and that frees up the applicant to determine Sarah Silver PB: Its own parking Sarah Silver PB: Let me see if I can just get to the page its own parking

Sarah Silver PB: Well here’s, here’s what it says Sarah Silver PB: The building would be considered a congregant care facility which per boulder revised code is able to define its own parking requirements so Sarah Silver PB: It just seems like yeah Sarah Silver PB: It seems still seems unclear to me Elaine McLaughlin: Okay. So just as a quick point of clarification in the land use code cable nine to which is terrific parking requirements for residential all zones group homes Elaine McLaughlin: Residential custodial or Kongregate care are all under the same category and parking requirement is off street parking appropriate to the US needs in the facility Elaine McLaughlin: And the number of vehicles used by its occupants as determined through review. So I think that’s what it’s in reference to Sarah Silver PB: Okay section and the fact that the Sarah Silver PB: Developed the applicant says that there won’t be any parking allowed Sarah Silver PB: Car Sarah Silver PB: Residents will not be allowed to bring cars on to the site. But that doesn’t prevent them from having cars, is that correct Elaine McLaughlin: I think that’s a great question for the applicant, but my understanding is that the parking is intended to be for the employees as well as visitors to the site, but I understand. Michael basma or Bill holic he’s still on the call. If you’d like to ask them specifically Sarah Silver PB: I would love to hear if that’s okay harman’s to hear back from them Harmon Zuckerman, PB: No, that’s fine Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Michael, Bill, what do you guys want to answer the question that Sarah has Sarah Silver PB: I think gene has to unmute them Michael Bosma: Yet, thanks. Thanks for the question. And, you know, we’ve done Michael Bosma: Okay, something happened there. So we’ve dealt with this a few times and in regards to the Congress care you know we’ve had to provide parking analysis and traffic Michael Bosma: Traffic studies to justify where that comes and to justify that within the code within our particular application. If you look at our management plan Michael Bosma: We have a whole section on parking where we specifically outline the number of bike parking spaces that we have this being used as a sober living facility, you’re not admitted. We can’t buy code prevent or by, by law, I can’t prevent anybody from owning a car Michael Bosma: And we’ve looked into this a lot, you know, it’s everybody’s right to have a car, but they will not be allowed to keep a car on site, and they’re not allowed to access or use cars and it’s one of the reasons why we feel like this Michael Bosma: This location is ideal for it because it’s very close in adjacent to people getting back into the workforce Michael Bosma: Pro streets, you know, a block and a half away there’s a commercial district there and there’s actually a bus stop Michael Bosma: Directly to the east of our site and we feel like that would be extremely well utilized on this and it’s just part of the it’s part of the program. It’s part of our management plan. And if we don’t know by by that as an operator Michael Bosma: And maybe I’m not their operator but anybody that is an operator would be out of compliance with our with with with our management plan Sarah Silver PB: And I’m sorry I’m Harmon, just to clarify, a clear point of clarification, with Sarah Silver PB: Michael So in your management plan, you do not allow the residents to use a car Michael Bosma: That is correct. Okay. I think residents are not permitted to possess or operate their own vehicles during their time in the program Michael Bosma: Our organizations policies if residents are found to be in violation of this policy is ground for termination from the program is the exact language within our management plan, which is a binding document OK. OK Harmon Zuckerman, PB: OK. Anything else, Sarah, you’re good. JOHN John Gerstle PB: Yeah, just had a quick question John Gerstle PB: Regarding the demolition of the auxiliary building that I think was previously used for band practice or recording it has there been some consideration by the landmarks board about about that issue Michael Bosma: Yeah, absolutely. We’ve Michael Bosma: Gone through Darcy Michael Bosma: Yeah, go ahead. If you want to address that as well. Sorry Elaine McLaughlin: Yeah, so I was literally just going to say it did go to landmark CRC. And then also the demolition permit, as I understand it is in process and

Elaine McLaughlin: So, Elaine McLaughlin: My understanding is, it was not found to have historic merit to preserve it John Gerstle PB: Okay, so it was formally considered and that determination was made. Okay Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, anybody else Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Anybody interested in calling this matter up Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, then we’ll move on to the next item Harmon Zuckerman, PB: There’s one more call up tonight and that is a floodplain development permit FLT 2020 dash quadruple 01 Harmon Zuckerman, PB: First floodplain development permit of 20 2603 South Broadway commercial office space interior remodel its decision may be called up before planning board honor before November 23 2020 as there any planning board member with questions or a question for staff Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay. Is there anyone who wants to call it up Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, so then we’re going to move on to matters tonight and the first matter is going to be a presentation from staff around the amps implementation and progress revitalizing access in Boulder Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I’m going to turn it over, first to Charles to complete the introduction Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: Thanks very much department Chris Jones and Chris Hamlin from Community vitality and go boulder respective we will be presenting the same this afternoon or to the board tonight Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Well, thank you, Charles and also on behalf of the transportation and mobility division welcome Jacob to the city Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): So, good evening. My name is Chris hagglund. I’m a senior transportation planner and also currently the acting CU Boulder manager, which is the city’s transportation planning group Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): And if. And as mentioned, I am joined by Chris Jones deputy director of Community vitality Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): This evening, we’d like to present to you an update on the amps project in that revitalizing access in Boulder. This is our third stop on the way to several different boards and commissions, so please feel free to provide any feedback on the presentation itself as, as well as the content Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): As many of you know amps is short for access management and parking strategies and is an ongoing cross the Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Cross department program with staffroom community vitality transportation and mobility and planning in development services Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Under the amps program. There are a variety of projects and programming efforts aimed at improving multimodal access in boulders parking districts in managing parking demand. Next slide please. Chris Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): We have created the following agenda for you today Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Following an overview of some amps efforts, we will describe for you the framework of this particular project, which is focused on parking pricing and the neighborhood parking permit program Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Next we will explain our community engagement plan, which is tailored to our new way of working in communicating in a coven environment Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Including our engagement and the role of planning board. We will also be sharing with you information gathered during our existing conditions phase of the project Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): And finally we will describe for you. The next steps in the project and asking some questions of you together your input and advice. Next slide please Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Amps in the projects under its umbrella or ultimately guided by a set of planning documents that provide a policy framework and a set of objectives to fulfill the vision for our community Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): These documents include the boulder Valley comprehensive plan which outlines planning and land use policies and goals and a vision for our community Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): And our relationship with the broader broader region, the sustainability framework covers environmental policies and objectives related to reducing Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Greenhouse gas emissions and preparing our community for ongoing CLIMATE CHANGE THE TRANSPORTATION master plan, which was recently approved by Council last year Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): In an in an updated form outlines the city’s multimodal transportation policies operations and maintenance efforts planning and capital improvements and key initiatives and measurable objectives Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): And last but not least, the economic sustainability strategy which promotes economic vitality and a strong relationship between the city and our business community to ensure a thriving city and a high quality of life. Next, please

Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): All the documents have formed and all these documents at formed and shaped the access management and parking strategy program THESE AMPs guiding principles which you see here were adopted by city council in 2017 Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): And they include those following items in Boulder our residents employees and visitors use a wide variety of transportation options in our community and we need to plan to provide access for all Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): We also need to employ new innovative tools and strategies and improve multimodal access and manage demand in all areas of the city Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): We need to be inclusive and recognize the diversity within our community and strive to advance social and racial equity Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): We also need policies and programs that not only have a transportation, not only benefit transportation access but also meet our economic vitality and environmental goals Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Of course, in our fast changing and very unpredictable world which we all know too well this year, we need to plan for the present and adapt to the future, social, environmental, technological and economic changes Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): This chart provides some examples of the variety of projects that are underway under the amps umbrella Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): The camp project which you know is the Chautauqua access management plan is our annual parking management and shuttle service to Chautauqua from MEMORIAL DAY TO LABOR DAY. This will remain an ongoing program Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): For the government city offices and the main library civic area we’ve implemented a new parking strategy and a very successful parking cash out program for city employees Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): As you are aware, staff continues to work on a possible tedium ordinance for new development to mitigate the impacts on the surrounding transportation systems Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): From New developments and that this project is directly linked to the parking code changes which have already been mentioned, this evening, which have been delayed but we hope to revitalize in 2021 and we will certainly be looking at parking maximums as one of those Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Potential recommendations, the final two projects on this Charter, what we’re here today to discuss with you. Parking pricing and the neighborhood parking permit program. And with that, I will turn it over to Chris Jones Cris Jones: Thank you, Chris hagglund and good evening planning board and welcome Jacob, as Chris indicated Cris Jones: Can you vitality is working very closely with transportation and mobility and other departments of the city on the parking pricing and neighborhood Cris Jones: parking permit program reimagining that program in this work. And so we’re going to share the specifics of what’s under way. Currently, and ask you for some feedback at the end of this presentation Cris Jones: So project framework. What we’re underway with now is working towards some objectives, we’re, what we’re planning and working to reimagine the neighborhood parking permit program Cris Jones: We want to be creating a community centered pricing approach for our on and off street spaces currently dedicated to parking. So we heard some comments about this work earlier in this meeting Cris Jones: From the public so excited that people are already getting engaged and involved. We also know that parking is key and managed parking is a key component to achieving our broader broader city goals and so that will also be a key part of our work moving forward Cris Jones: So the themes that we are proposing in this work and then we’d love some feedback from planning board on Cris Jones: Our we know that we want to manage our parking and access for the entire community. We know that active management can help distribute parking more effectively Cris Jones: will promote equity preserve neighborhood character and help reduce vehicle congestion and exact excessive circulation of vehicles. It’ll also help to improve experience for all travel choices Cris Jones: We know that curbside space serves a variety of functions in our community even now in the coven pandemic well parking on street in our garages has been reduced Cris Jones: The desire for a different uses of the curbside or outdoor dining or curbside pickup it’s it’s evolved and we want to be responsive to that. And we know that there is value in these users and we want to be seeking the highest and best value of the curb for effective management Cris Jones: As far as the neighborhood program goes. We want to make sure that we are meeting unique needs of specific areas in the community. And so that would could translate to neighborhoods specific parking solutions Cris Jones: That will help shape outcomes that meet meet the unique needs of different parts of the city Cris Jones: So ultimately, we know that parking pricing is a key part of any access management strategy

Cris Jones: And that can help and support and encourage travel choices outside of people driving alone. And so we want to continue to work to create more equitable distribution of parking across resources and support our city sustainability goals, among others Cris Jones: This is our timeline of our work, we’re in our second stage, our strategy development, but we wanted to touch base with boards and commissions right now to let everybody know what we’re what we’ve been up to Cris Jones: And let you know our timeline share our overall objectives themes, our community engagement proposals, get some feedback from you, and then also just let you know what our proposed ultimate outcomes of this work will be Cris Jones: So we really want to make sure that at the end of this work we have a firm decision on the future structure of the neighborhood park parking permit program Cris Jones: And we also want to adopt a parking pricing strategy for both on and off street facilities and maybe an updated find structure for parking violations that we can incorporate into the Cris Jones: budget proposals so that will be happening middle of 2021 Cris Jones: successfully achieving these outcomes will certainly require a robust and effective Community Engagement plan and the months ahead Cris Jones: Particularly in light of our pandemic conditions were not able to employ our traditional open houses Cris Jones: You know, farmers market booze and other strategies that we’ve known we’ve been known for in the past. And so we’ve developed a new coven appropriate community engagement plan Cris Jones: We really want to maximize collaboration with the community as much as we possibly can. We’ve identified a number of new strategies that that Cris Jones: We’re hoping will be successful. First, we’ve identified it we’ve identified a team of access allies. These are subject matter experts from a variety of organizations throughout the city Cris Jones: From the University to build a really school districts to parking up private parking operators Cris Jones: Members from boards and commissions that focus on parking and access these folks are going to be instrumental in some of the decision making and strategy development and the work that will be be bringing to the planning board and other boards and commissions throughout its effort Cris Jones: We’ve also identified a few community connectors. These are folks who are going to be paying Cris Jones: $20 an hour to help us connect with communities that are traditionally underserved, so they are connected with various communities Cris Jones: And they will be charged with making sure that we are bringing people to this virtual table and ways that we may be would not be able to Cris Jones: Without their assistance. So we’re looking forward to working with the city’s communications and engagement department in that effort and presenting maybe some new Cris Jones: learnings because will be an agent of with folks who might not otherwise have been involved previously Cris Jones: And of course in this virtual environment. We want a robust online presence, we have launched our digital hub. It’s the center of Cris Jones: The Cove, it’s safe engagement effort and it’s a place where community members can learn more about the project Cris Jones: And engage in a variety of ways. Regardless, regardless of their time availability. So our website has launched this week. The URL is www access for boulder COM It’s the number four Cris Jones: And that’ll be at the end of the presentation, but just want to let folks know they can visit that now, and we hope that more and more folks get engaged. And last but certainly not least, Cris Jones: We are actually before I go to that. I miss the virtual workshops. So the week of November 30. We have a number of Community workshops scheduled Cris Jones: On November 30 through December. Third, and we are encouraging anyone and everyone who’s interested to participate in a number Cris Jones: Of online polls in a community conversation. It’s we’re calling it a parking design charrette and really looking forward to see how that goes. And how it influences this process. So now, last but not least, Cris Jones: We are engaging with all of the relevant city boards and commissions in this work. And of course, including planning board and this is our first touch with you where we want to really just introduce this work Cris Jones: Providing the project overview and sharing some of our key findings from existing conditions. Our next conversation with Cris Jones: The boards and commissions and counsel will be the introduction of some strategies for consideration Cris Jones: Based on our feedback from from that touch. We will then go into all our alternatives analysis to measure and understand what the implications Cris Jones: Of specific changes and parking pricing and the MVP would be that will then translate into our ultimate recommendations on our action plan moving forward towards the outcomes that I mentioned earlier in the presentation

Cris Jones: So really quick some key things that we’ve been learning from our existing conditions report which an exec executive summary was included in your packet, but just wanted to share some some key themes for possible discussion if you’d Cris Jones: Like, but we know in Boulder, at least compared to communities across the front range we do a pretty good job of managing our parking assets Cris Jones: We know that even during our peak times. You can see here in this this image on the bottom left parking can become scarce on street Cris Jones: But we know that that there’s still parking at it. That is adequate in remote parking areas or even our garages. We know that at any given time. We do have capacity in our garages Cris Jones: Of course, this is a pre code analysis and will be planning for a postcode reality. But we know that the overall downtown we’re managing parking well throughout the city, though Cris Jones: Most of the parking that we offer in the city, our parking or on street assets are unregulated beyond Cris Jones: Our basic parking code regulations and so that obviously has come up again and public comment earlier today and will be a key focus for our conversation for the neighborhood parking permit program Cris Jones: Because we understand that spill over into neighborhoods continues to be a challenge. And this is a challenge as a challenge and probably comes up quite frequently for Cris Jones: The planning board and the planning department and our MVP program was largely designed to manage that spillover as it applied to our existing manage districts downtown University hill Cris Jones: The areas around. See you, but we know that our parking challenges are changing and evolving and have expanded to other areas of change. So trail heads are more and more becoming Cris Jones: A challenge when we see folks visiting and parking on street in neighborhoods and more congestion is is translating into more folks asking for us to use our NPP tool Cris Jones: To manage parking in a way that we haven’t necessarily had to before we’ve we have our camp program as a demonstration of how we might be able to Cris Jones: change that conversation we’re getting the same types of requests for areas like monster need us and Shanahan ridge and other locations and of course Cris Jones: There are other emerging districts North boulder gun barrel other challenges that are existing on street where you needed vitality transportation and planning are all being asked to identify new ways to manage our parking assets in those areas we want this work to inform that Cris Jones: We know that no matter what we do with parking Cris Jones: Pricing and parking management that TM strategies will and our will continue to be in our critical part of meeting our access in parking demands Cris Jones: In the downtown. We know that if we did not have things like the eagle pass and such a robust TV and program that go boulder and the transportation mobility department has been supporting for so long Cris Jones: That we would we would be filling our parking garages and we would be needing to build more parking and Cris Jones: So while it’s been very expensive for our special districts to pay for equal passes for all full time employees in our special districts. We know that that’s still cheaper than building more parking Cris Jones: So we will make sure that in these in these strategies that we’re working to develop the tdnn continues to be a critical part of that Cris Jones: We know that as far as the, the amount of parking that we provide on street and off street in our special districts that, with the exception of the neighborhood parking permit program Cris Jones: Current revenues closely mirror our existing parking supply. So as you can see these graphs the top bar graph is the breakdown of different types of parking assets, the Cris Jones: Quantities left of the black line are all of our on street assets that are managed actively managed Cris Jones: And the quantities to the right of the black line are off street district parking spaces on the bottom, you can see our on street visitor revenues 37% Cris Jones: Those are the revenues that are captured in our on streets spaces and then the quantities to the right Cris Jones: Are the revenues that we receive in our off street district own spaces with the exception to the far right on the bottom, you can see 2% of our revenues in Union vitality for parking are coming from the NPP program Cris Jones: I do not have the total number of spaces that we manage in the NPP, but I can guarantee you it is a significant amount. And if we were to add those spaces into the top bar graph

Cris Jones: It’s a number of spaces that we have to actively send staff out to monitor transportation has to assign these spaces, there isn’t Cris Jones: An ongoing maintenance and operations component to those parking spaces that we have not quantified, but our revenue is currently only 2% Cris Jones: Relative to the rest of this parking that we manage Cris Jones: So those are just some key highlights of what we’ve been learning. We are going to continue to refine our existing conditions work through our conversations that we’re having with the community with boards and commissions Cris Jones: As you can see here we had DMC last week downtime management commission for Jacob Cris Jones: Yesterday we had our folder junction access district Commission’s meeting with you today on December 1 we’ll go to the university hill Cris Jones: Commercial area management Commission and on December 7 the transportation advisory board we have launched our digital hub. I’m looking forward to engaging with the community through that venue and then Cris Jones: The week of November 30, as I mentioned, will have our community workshops as well. I’ll culminate to our council UPDATE ON JANUARY 5 Cris Jones: Will will provide an update on our timeline, anything that we’ve learned through these series of meetings and our community Cris Jones: Engagement. As we continue to develop our strategies that will be reviewed with you all at our next touch with our boards and conditions. So with that, Cris Jones: That’s kind of our introduction to the work we are curious your thoughts around our project themes Cris Jones: And our current efforts. We want to hear from you about our community engagement and are the planned engagement strategies adequate and appropriate, given our Cris Jones: Impacts and are they couldn’t existing conditions that we’ve shared so far, consistent with your understanding and experiences of parking and access in Boulder and of course are the other questions about next steps That’s it Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Well Chris and Chris, thank you for a great presentation there leave this screen up for a second. So I can just take down the questions and then Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We’ll start and then we can begin to address them one by one. I just, I want you to take the screen down so that we can see each other Cris Jones: So hold on a sec apologize, I am realizing I did not update the header on this slide. So Cris Jones: Unimportant apologies Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So do any planning board members have a question or comment, starting with the, the general comments or questions, or do you want to jump in to the first bullet about whether or not we agree with the project themes of the current amps implementation efforts john John Gerstle PB: Yeah, thank you. I just have a question that is how, how do you decide if the neighborhood parking pass program is successful or not John Gerstle PB: What are the things that you’re measuring and looking at to see if it, if it is a success John Gerstle PB: I’ve never been clear about that Cris Jones: Sure and I can speak to that a moment. Have you gotten I wanted, I’ll end my screen shares long as we’re ready for that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, I was actually just looking to see if you have the questions and your staff report so I can save writing them down. Well, Cris Jones: They are not in the staff Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And let me jot them down and I’ll be able to guide the discussion a little better Lisa Smith PB: You can also screenshot at Harmon Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I know I’m using two different computers which Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Is like my face. Sometimes looking sideways Cris Jones: Just a sec. All right. Apologies. I can’t speak to our evaluation of the NPP Cris Jones: The challenge with the MVP right now is that it’s largely driven by neighbors who perceive a parking problem in their neighborhood Cris Jones: And the there are a number of goals of that program which will be reviewed in this process. That includes you know Cris Jones: Making sure that there’s parking available for residents and also preserving neighborhood character Cris Jones: We know that once an MVP is implemented a lot of the the parking stresses Cris Jones: Might go away for the area that the program has been implemented for but it often just moves to the next street or neighborhood over Cris Jones: Which is part of the challenge that we’ve been dealing with in this conversation is while we might achieve some goals that were created with the program back in 1994 Cris Jones: We are, we find ourselves chasing a problem down on the next block or the next street

Cris Jones: Or next neighborhood. And so while I really appreciate the question that that we Cris Jones: We might be solving some problems on in within an NPP zone as far as a reduction in complaints and and issues with with people not being able to find parking in front of their, their homes or space for their guests Cris Jones: When it comes to the impact that that’s going to have on the next neighborhood, we’re, we’re, we tend to find ourselves chasing a problem and squeezing the proverbial balloon, if you will Cris Jones: And Cris Jones: So that’s something that we want to address this work as well Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You can go ahead and take your screen, don’t Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Question, Sarah Sarah Silver PB: It’s actually an NPP question as well is the entire city in other is every single neighborhood in the city have an MVP program are there only NPP programs in specific areas Cris Jones: There are only NPP programs in specific areas. There’s a petitioning process Cris Jones: That’s described in this city code that that folks are required to go through and then and Chris might be able to speak more of this, because he’s been through this, I think, a nice and right now than in a moratorium for Cris Jones: Accepting petitions and implementing a PPS, but there is a process that neighborhoods are asked to follow Cris Jones: And then the city transportation advisory board considers those petitions provides recommendation to city council and if City Council approves then the zone is established Sarah Silver PB: And why would we, why do we have such an onerous process Cris Jones: Well if Mike Sweeney was here as he’s, he was the, the gentleman that was around and the creation of the process in the first place. He might be able to speak more eloquently to that than I can Cris Jones: But I would say that I know that the again the challenge with deciding whether or not we want to start charging Cris Jones: Residents for parking was previously free in front of their homes is a sensitive topic. And so it’s, it is related that whole Cris Jones: Desire to make sure that that everybody or enough people in your neighborhood want to change the way that they’re experiencing residential parking that’s translated into this process Cris Jones: Whether or not that’s what we want to continue with as part of this conversation Lisa Smith PB: I can add on to that Lisa Smith PB: Yeah, so Lisa Smith PB: Um, as, as we just heard, you know, definitely the fact that one if you suddenly start putting up signs and restricting parking in a neighborhood and you haven’t gotten Lisa Smith PB: A lot of people in that neighborhood to say yes, we have a problem when we want it, you’re going to get a lot of very cranky people who think they own the land in front of their house Lisa Smith PB: And then also it is expensive. You know, so to send parking folks out to check, you know, to see what’s going on to enforce it, and to manage all that is Lisa Smith PB: Is quite expensive that as you saw the cost of administering the program versus the revenue coming in is quite discrepant Lisa Smith PB: And then also, you know, should you extend that zone as they also heard about. So there’s just a lot that goes into whether or not it’s appropriate to put it in. So there are hurdles Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Great. So the pizza, stand up Lupita D Montoya: Yes, I’m, I’m wondering if on Lupita D Montoya: On the information that you have about people who use a parking the most and Lupita D Montoya: Do we have any statistics or numbers regarding whether this are people from within the city using the parking spaces or people for coming from outside Cris Jones: We don’t necessarily monitor our customers in our districts in our permit Parker’s that closely, but we do understand using the downtown boulder travel survey that Cris Jones: Folks who live in Boulder are much more likely to use other modes of transportation to get downtown and folks who live outside of Boulder are more likely to drive and need to park their vehicle all day. Chris, do you have more to share on that Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Yeah, I mean, Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): I don’t know the downtown statistics offhand. But if you look at the city in general, you know, that’s where we find that people who live in Boulder and work in Boulder Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Drive alone, less than half of the, you know, less than half. So I think it’s like 48% Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): But people driving SOV to work if you live outside the city of Boulder and you are commuting into boulder Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): The sob mo chair is typically around 80% in the surveys that we’ve conducted since 1990 and it has remained at around 80%. The only time it reduced was in 2008 when the gas prices were at its highest it went down to 70 for the next time we surveyed went right back up Lupita D Montoya: That, that helps. Thank you

David Ensign PB: David um yeah I Thanks Chris and Chris, I was interested in as options are weighed and the sophistication of the ability to answer some of these questions like What areas are being underutilized. What are being over utilized David Ensign PB: Traffic demand and I was really interested in license plate recognition as a technology David Ensign PB: Is there an idea of whether our existing technology solutions for parking can accommodate some of these new capabilities or are we looking at new systems expensive systems to do better management overall as we go into the New World Cris Jones: Thanks, Dan. I’m so glad you asked that question and that’s been a big part of why we haven’t been able to maybe be more dynamic with our pricing in the past our current on street pay stations only speak to us at the end of the day, so we get bashed input we don’t get real time data Cris Jones: We it’s it’s very outdated. We’re actually in the process of replacing all of our on street pace stations, we have our permit program Cris Jones: For our garages has not been associated with license plates in the past where we are moving towards license plate recognition for on street enforcement and Cris Jones: In garage permitting, so we are actually both you prior to even this process, we’ve already been making changes in the technology that we use for both permitting and for enforcement Cris Jones: That will allow us to more easily implement some of these changes that you’re probably thinking about Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, so not seeing any more general questions, unless folks have some Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And I think what we’re being asked to do is provide some feedback Harmon Zuckerman, PB: As Chris and Chris told us we’re going to have another chance at this, but they’re also going to be making touches with various different boards and councils, so they want our feedback. So at least I saw you pop your hand up, there’s something you want to get out first Lisa Smith PB: Yeah, um, I just wanted to say that I think that there’s a really fabulous opportunity round the timeline, which I think is really interesting. And I’m sure you’ve noticed as well Lisa Smith PB: That will kind of have a bit of a natural reset with people returning. I’m thinking specifically about downtown, but to others as well in higher numbers, you know, as a vaccine rolls out and as it becomes safer for people to move around again Lisa Smith PB: And just if if the timing works out. I guess I would just, I was wondering if you’re kind of thinking that that might be a good time to do things like Lisa Smith PB: Extend hours later in the evening downtown gradually, you know, try not to suppress people can I worry about people coming back and immediately being asked to pay for longer hours or to pay a higher price Lisa Smith PB: You know, and just kind of how you envision that timing kind of rolling out as we hopefully exit this pandemic Cris Jones: Yeah, it certainly is not intentional that we have found ourselves in this point in our timeline and implementation of changes Cris Jones: And it’s also important to note that the downtown business community is very involved in this decision making process and very sensitive to anything that might be Cris Jones: perceived or real impact visitation. So what’s what we will be looking to is making sure that whatever price pricing strategy we employ Cris Jones: Will be hoping to develop strategies that are flexible and responsive, which again, our new on street parking pay stations will be Cris Jones: Better able to accommodate that will be able to send real time messages out to change pricing, as opposed to right now. You have to visit each individual paced action Cris Jones: To make changes to the programming. So things like that, we will be in a space where we’ll be better able to make changes in a more dynamic way Cris Jones: As long as we’re able to do that and and in a way that’s easily understood by customers and the in businesses anybody who’s interested. They’re going to want to be able to know why we’re doing what we’re doing when we’re doing it Lisa Smith PB: Great, thank you Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay so tend to give some feedback to the first piece was whether or not we agree with Harmon Zuckerman, PB: The project themes of the current apps implementation. Does anybody have any feedback for Chris and Chris about that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: David David Ensign PB: Um, yeah, I David Ensign PB: Actually, I spent a number of months kind of informally attending tab meetings. And so a lot of these themes are quite familiar to me David Ensign PB: I’ll start out by saying that I might, you know, I from my perception. The camp

David Ensign PB: Program and also the cash out that you mentioned are two really good examples of great progress that’s been made and I think that in the street parking and inside parking type of a landscape, it’s probably not quite as quite as much of a heavy lift to do some changes David Ensign PB: I think in general changes are easier for the public to deal with when we have the ability to maybe not do them all in bulk, like every 10 or 15 years but actually kind of ease them along David Ensign PB: And that’s why I think that having a more flexible system that can gradually adapt to the demands and the, the costs to the public of David Ensign PB: Of parking real estate will help to maybe make it so that people can get just get used to things gradually we know from experience that when things are are David Ensign PB: Kind of put well I’ll have mentioned it, the Folsom Street thing right where there was just such a backlash right David Ensign PB: And so we want to we want the more the public can kind of come along, you gradually, the better. So having adaptable and flexible systems in place are really useful David Ensign PB: On the NPP specifically in 99 i mean that’s been since 1994, is my understanding. So we really are dealing with a sledgehammer. When we need a scalpel that one David Ensign PB: We really need to look at a number of things we need to look at equity, we need to look at particular neighborhoods. Not every neighborhood is the same. So one at one NPP might have a different different needs than another David Ensign PB: And certainly monitoring usage so that so you know if they’re over under utilized timing may be different if you’re dealing with David Ensign PB: Evening performances near your NPP versus day they time campus attendance. It may be a day NPP versus a day and evening NPP, you know, those kinds of things. So each NPP may be different. And I think that the fact that the NPP has gotten so out of date. And so David Ensign PB: So much so clumsy has made it lose support from tab members because they’re the experts and when you don’t have support then you end up with a moratorium and David Ensign PB: For planning board when we’re dealing with development and people want to hear. Hey, what do we do if there is more cars in our neighborhood David Ensign PB: I can’t really in good faith right now say to neighbors. Oh, well, you can just apply for an MVP, because I know that I’m just asking them to go off and get a bunch of headaches David Ensign PB: So, um, so, yeah. We’d love to be able to have a better NPP program that we as planning board members could reference when we’re dealing with all the concerns around parking for sure David Ensign PB: And like I said license plate recognition. I love the idea of us to be able to get more and more of a handle on David Ensign PB: Where people are parking when and make it easier. Maybe they just scan a barcode whenever they are pretty much anywhere in town and David Ensign PB: And oh, I just want to mention the EZ Pass system, but everybody use this has gotten people used to looking at bills online and identifying when they use the Tollway or something David Ensign PB: So people are getting used to this kind of thing. And it’s actually easy for you to go to your budget from something that you can just look at your account. So in some ways I think people are ready, probably to start David Ensign PB: Looking at Hey there parking account as it’s been managed over the last few months. So those are just some observations. I have. But yes, I think that all of those are embedded in here, but those are the ones that popped out to me Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Any other members thoughts on the themes of the current implementation Harmon Zuckerman, PB: John John Gerstle PB: Yeah, I’m this is more of a question than than anything else, but I’m just wondering to what degree these efforts John Gerstle PB: Consider some of the other things that are going on with respect to parking that planning board has dealt with and I’m, I’m thinking of the unbundling efforts for both residential as well as you know office and commercial type projects and also the the John Gerstle PB: End and this is I think David mentioned it briefly. The, the limiting of parking for commercial and office projects all together. And the combination of paid payouts to employees not to drive John Gerstle PB: So I just be interested in how those are being considered John Gerstle PB: Yeah Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Was well certainly what you mentioned with the unbundling of parking and also with changes to office and different commercial that is Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Embedded within the parking code change work and you know we had been, you know, kind of moving along pretty steadily and we had about three years of data and we were in the process of making some

Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Preliminary recommendations, kind of going over those internally when when when covert hit and Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Due to staff reductions and and other competing priorities. It’s when you know Planning and Development Services had to move that work effort, but I you know I really believe that these are all Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Those and what we’re doing now with parking pricing with the neighborhood parking permit program. Those are all part of a holistic Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Series of projects that we’re going to do. So they’re all directly related. We just had to delay that and I don’t know if if Charles has any insight into that that work effort and when it will resume Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: No, that’s well said. Chris, we had to Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: Delay the Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: continued work on the parking code changes based on staffing shortages that related from coven. So in talking with Council two months ago Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: The direction was to continue to continue to advance the work of US tables and community benefit and then get back on the park and code changes later in 2021 when we wrap up work on those two co change projects Harmon Zuckerman, PB: The other comments from board members Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Great. And let’s move on to the second question, which has to do with the public engagement strategy that’s being employed Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So is it adequate and appropriate given the conditions today, including coven 19 Harmon Zuckerman, PB: But Harmon Zuckerman, PB: The pita and David Lupita D Montoya: First of all, I was very, very happy to see that you will be using the community connectors program, which I’ve been working with personally and especially working with communities usually don’t have an opportunity to voice their concerns. I am wondering Lupita D Montoya: Given, given that usually don’t hear from this communities Lupita D Montoya: How you prepare to deal with things. I may not agree with the plan that you have put forth, and I should warn you, I’m reading Paulo freighter as we speak. So you need to hear about the opinion of the oppressed. And so let’s see how where we’re going to be dealing with their concerns Cris Jones: Thank you. Yeah, we will continue to have our equity goal and filter on throughout this process Cris Jones: While there might be changes that we make in how we price our facilities, that does not mean that we won’t also seek to include rebate opportunities Cris Jones: For folks who might be financially impacted by some of these changes. So that will be certainly something that we’d want to include in any of our strategies as one example Cris Jones: Of how we would want to accommodate folks who who would be impacted. More significantly by even slight changes and how we price parking Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Good David Ensign PB: Yeah, so I went over and I looked at the digital hub and it looks really cool. I think that David Ensign PB: You know having an attractive and interesting way to engage online is important right now so David Ensign PB: I answered a few of the questions I’ll seem to work pretty well. So I think that’s great. And I’ll just echo loopy does comment on Community connector. Um, I think boulder is really done some amazing work in realizing that David Ensign PB: Many, many people can volunteer to get involved and be on working groups and stuff, but for some folks, you really need to have a little bit of a budget and give them a stipend to make sure that a David Ensign PB: under represented community is represented and I think it’s great that the city has a budget to actually David Ensign PB: To provide that stipend to make sure that that the folks who can who’s time can can’t be given to these things without that are are able to do it. So thanks so much. And I just want to echo the penis comment on that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Anybody else feedback on public engagement strategy Okay Harmon Zuckerman, PB: All right, then let’s move on to the third Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Or the existing conditions, consistent with our experiences was the question Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Sarah as Sarah Silver PB: Well as someone who lives in a neighborhood with an NPP um Sarah Silver PB: It’s not a particularly expensive proposition to be a member. It’s $17 a year

Sarah Silver PB: But I happen to live in a part of the neighborhood actually not far from making where we have a lot of Sarah Silver PB: Staff who park in our who are given parking permits in our neighborhood and we are, we seem to be the neighborhood where everybody who comes to Boulder to hang out Sarah Silver PB: Downtown on the weekends parks as well. So I think that this the challenge, which has been pointed out before, which is that all neighborhoods are different. And this, I think, I don’t know how you go about creating Sarah Silver PB: Or tracking the unique needs of each neighborhood, but I really appreciate that you are that’s on your radar screen Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Other planning board comments Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay then Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Let’s jump to the last one, which is just Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Questions or comments around next steps thats Sarah Silver PB: Sarah I’m sorry I have to apologize. It didn’t get through the whole memo that you all had sent. So I may be asking a question that is tangential Sarah Silver PB: But the tedium work includes eco pass work and I know one of the thoughts that have been surface has been surface Sarah Silver PB: During many of our planning board meetings has been a question around the three year limit or the minimum three year sort of a three year maximum I guess for eco passes for residents in new developments and I think it’s worth putting on the table, whether Sarah Silver PB: It makes sense to consider a longer timeframe, or even an unlimited timeframe Sarah Silver PB: As a tool for reducing Sarah Silver PB: Eat further reducing automobile use and the need for parking on the street Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Yeah, so, so certainly the Eco pass both commercial and residential properties for new development would be Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Part of potential new ordinance that would be applied to new development Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): You know, I think the three year Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Requirement was a little bit before my time at the city Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): And what I’ve heard is that, you know, there was some discomfort. I’m part of the city attorney’s office of having a longer, longer, you know, requirement or something in perpetuity. And that also was related to Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Art. It’s an art TV program. We don’t really have much control over it. If it’s suddenly went away and we have a, you know, an ongoing requirement for this, you know, what would that do to all these plans Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): But I can assure you that, you know, we will look at that and also right now. You know, we’re looking at alternatives to the neighborhood eco pass program, you know, unfortunately, in the last Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Couple years after our TVs past program working group. They really gutted the neighborhood eco pass program literally the only subsidy left is the city provided subsidy Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): And we do a base subsidy and then neighborhoods, depending on the proportion of affordable housing units can get additional subsidies, so they can pass on those savings to those households, but that’s the only benefit left is the city subsidy Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): And so we are in the process right now of looking at some alternatives to that there are some new Rd products and technology that we may be able to utilize those Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): more effectively than, than the current neighborhood eco pass program, but we are certainly working on that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Any other comments about next steps Harmon Zuckerman, PB: David David Ensign PB: Um, I’ll just quickly in a David Ensign PB: Complimentary word for those David Ensign PB: From the public and from over the course of discussion, who have talked about David Ensign PB: loosening the parking minimums and maybe looking at parking maximums instead in our land use code. I think that we routinely David Ensign PB: Do parking reductions, because they’re a little bit out of date. And so I think that that is a is a great thing for this is probably bigger than what we’ve been talking about with this, but David Ensign PB: Because it goes into the nice code. But I think that that is something that we we should start putting on our, our work plan over the next year Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Lisa

Lisa Smith PB: Um, yeah, I just wanted to one voice, support for everything we’ve heard from other members of the board Lisa Smith PB: And then also speak to two things that I think were mentioned briefly Lisa Smith PB: Which were one tiered pricing for P defenses and just I think the importance of that I know that, although I try to be very compliant. There are certainly times when I’ve had a non functioning Lisa Smith PB: Pay station and been in a hurry somewhere, and I knew it most. It was $1 ticket and although I didn’t want to get one. I went ahead and run into my appointment. So, you know, I think, I think there are ways to kind of manage that behavior through tiered pricing Lisa Smith PB: And then also hopefully as we see people returning and patronizing our restaurants and businesses and so on downtown Lisa Smith PB: And forgive me if this has already happened. But I’m extending the time for paid parking. I think it goes till what 7pm currently Lisa Smith PB: And learn a lot about zone. And I think one of the reasons we manage parking is you know very well is to make sure that if somebody Lisa Smith PB: Heads downtown, you know, excited to make their dinner reservation or something that they can in fact find a place to park because it’s priced at a place that Lisa Smith PB: encourages people to turn over there so spots them and prior to the pandemic. There were a lot of nights when there would be no where to park Lisa Smith PB: So yeah, just wanted to buy support for those two specific things and I’m sure they’re already on your list Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Thanks. Anybody else Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Oh, it’s Peter Peter Vitale PB: And then I thank you for this. Appreciate it Peter Vitale PB: I don’t live in a place where there’s an MVP, so I don’t feel this as acutely and like most I haven’t been traveling outside my neighborhood much Peter Vitale PB: And this may not be the right place to ask this, and if so please. Well, I’m sure it’s not the right place, but guide me, perhaps the micro ability conversations and the dockless scooters and these sorts of innovations around micro ability, where and how do they fit into the general strategy Peter Vitale PB: I would tag that on to, you know, concepts like Barclays which we’re seeing more and more with restaurants opening up on the sidewalks, etc Cris Jones: Is you want to take that one Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Well, I just to kind of give you an update. If you haven’t been following it with Council, we will. We’ve been advancing our shared mobility program Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Right now we you know we have the the Bike Share system Council has directed us to work on putting out an RFP. This RFP will ask for an Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Evolving Bike Share system to include dockless electric assist bikes and then also to have a scooter component as well Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Council discussed having some limitations on where those scooters could be deployed so staff will be returning to counsel to discuss the, the kind of the geographic boundaries of the scooter use Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): But we look forward to having an RFP, I would say in the, you know, late first quarter of next year and so will be Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Evolving that in terms of how that relates to this project. I think it really goes to the management of our public right of way Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Our curbside management and then also I mean if you think about a dockless bike system we’ve got to be very careful on Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Not causing clutter and same with the scooters that’s often a you know a problem in many cities where you have a dockless system, so we’ll have to really manage that in our, especially in our commercial areas. So, and then, and Chris, I don’t know if you have anything to add to that Cris Jones: So we do have a staff member in transmission mobility, who will be leading that conversation on site management. Another big piece of that is Cris Jones: Uber TMC pick up dropping. So that’s another activity activity that requires curbside space. It’s not currently very well managed and prior to the end and it was causing some significant congestion and safety issues in the downtown specifically Cris Jones: And so I do know that there are funds and there’s a scope of work that’s in development for focus in 2021 to include all those things. And of course, now we have the whole element of outdoor dining Cris Jones: And that has turned on her camera. I’m not sure if he wants to share with you as well. But so glad event is here. Yeah Yvette Bowden: Thank you. Herman. I appreciate the opportunity to just hype you to just say hello and thank you for the time. You’re right. Things are rapidly changing. I just wanted to say hello again I think on the third time to Jake about their Yvette Bowden: It Charles for letting us schedule this check in with you and it’s been a long time since community vitality was able to work this closely with all of you Yvette Bowden: I look forward to that. And I just to thank Chris and Chris for their championship of this work, and thank you for your thoughtful common tonight. Thank you

Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Thanks for that. Appreciate that Sarah Sarah Silver PB: I just want to respond to something that chris chris with an H just said about the dockless scooter. So I was visiting my family in Washington, DC. This month, and there are scooters just dumped everywhere. And I think this is a real issue, especially given the narrowness of our sidewalks Sarah Silver PB: Which is an issue that I know Harmon, and I have been an agreement on and need to widen the sidewalks, if we can. So I just want to reiterate how important solving that problem is going to be. Yep Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): And and also just, you know, another part of our shared Mike room ability work that we’re doing is also a whole section on where Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): What vehicles can be ridden and so we are looking at changes to our dismount zones as well, which would help some of that. But yeah, it is certainly a concern of staff Okay Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Other comments from planning board Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, I’ll just say, you know, thanks for for the input guys and nice report Harmon Zuckerman, PB: For me, you know, I noticed that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: The lack of a better term, it, it seems like the idea of parking maximums have has has kind of gone out of vogue, and at least it has in the report and to piggyback a little on what David said, we Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We often grant reductions in parking through site review and it’s not a, you know, there’s nothing wrong with that, per se, because the purpose of site review is to determine whether Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You impact can be mitigated. One of the purposes is is can they be mitigated. And, you know, is the if the project is proposing EDM or Eco passes and stuff. There are reasons why we can grant these Harmon Zuckerman, PB: These parking reductions their criteria for deciding whether a project merits of parking reduction and we can apply those criteria, however Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, the last we had an recently we had a project that was proposed for site review in front of us in an industrial area Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And they wanted a small parking reduction and probably could have married at a much larger parking reduction because they were able to show us the utilization of the current parking facilities on site Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And the utilization was really low. And so, you know, kind of combining two things that have been said about different neighborhoods and have different needs and. And what about parking minimum maximums Where did Park and maximums go Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I think that you might want to look into some sort of flexibility in the code, whereby Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Each each area isn’t treated exactly the same and where there is a site review application or even not a site review application, maybe just a buy right project application Harmon Zuckerman, PB: In an area that’s heavily over parked rather than forcing that project through site review and in front of planning board for needing a 50% parking reduction when say there’s, you know, an extra ad spots more than they need just on the streets in the within one block area Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, we could have some more flexible code language and do a little more analysis on the staff side to determine whether it’s really worth everyone’s administrative time and effort to go through these Harmon Zuckerman, PB: What are actually, you know, I don’t know if the neighborhood. The NPP is a really onerous Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Program, but I know that site review is a really onerous program for a lot of people to get through Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And it does take a lot of staff time. So to the extent that we may be able to do a little more analysis of parking on the front end of projects and avoid additional administrative work Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And put, you know, parking reductions, where they belong, and parking maximums where there really is enough parking and the next guy in shouldn’t have to provide much, if any at all Harmon Zuckerman, PB: That those are some concepts that I, I would like to Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Get out there on the table for you to think about. So Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, thank you Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I hope I haven’t spurred another half an hour worth of conversation, but if I had an open it back up to the planning board Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, do you have any other thoughts. Chris or Chris or any other staff that before. Before we wish you goodbye and thank you for your time Chris Hagelin (City of Boulder): Well, thank you for your time and we look forward to coming back Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Great look forward to seeing you again Cris Jones: Very, very helpful feedback and input. So really appreciate the time and looking forward to Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Terrific

Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, yeah Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, we’re gonna take a break before we move on to the next matter but Cindy you popped up with your video. Do you have anything for me Cindy Spence: No. Just wanted to let you know I’m the moderator now, Jane had to go to another meeting. So I’m in charge Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, great. So what we’re going to do next is we’re going to work on our letter to counsel and Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And as you will see when we come back from our break. I’m going to be turning it over to Pete to David to be our facilitator and to help us work through all of our, our separate comments Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So I want to give David some time to get his technology together. We’re going to use an exciting platform to help to help us through Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And I want to give everybody a chance to just take a personal break it’s 756 we’ve been at this for a couple of hours. So let’s get back together at 805 and we’ll see you at 805 sharp David Ensign PB: Can I add something before we go Harmon Zuckerman, PB: David, please So, David Ensign PB: The, the technology. We’re going to be using as mural. I went to accelerating climate neighborhood Climate Action Forum on Saturday and the city used David Ensign PB: The mural technology. I was very impressed with it. We’re going to use just kind of a subset of it David Ensign PB: I found that it is a little confusing for people, especially who don’t have a lot of screen real estate to manage being on zoom and then going off to mural because mural is going to be in your browser David Ensign PB: So I’ll kind of leave it up to you. I actually use two screens, so I can put the mural on one screen and the zoom on the other David Ensign PB: But what I’ll do is I’ll display on zoom and that way we’ll have a record of what we did as from the planning board recording David Ensign PB: And you can always follow along there. But for people who want to actually go on to mural and have a personality there. You can follow the link that I sent to the planning board list a few minutes ago David Ensign PB: And just type your name in when prompted. And then there is one section where I’m going to try to get everyone David Ensign PB: Who can to go over because we’re going to vote on, you know, things that we’d like to include in the letter. And at that point, maybe everybody David Ensign PB: If, if there’s anybody who can’t. I’ll just vote for them. But we’ll see. See if we can get everybody on at that point and it should be just a matter of David Ensign PB: Kind of toggling between zoom in your browser. But I understand if you can’t, if it isn’t working. Just, you know, you can just tell me, hey, put my vote here, here, here, whatever. So we’ll see how it goes to be fun David Ensign PB: Oh, and one other one last thing is, um, this was decided in the agenda meeting on Tuesday. And I was very careful to send Cindy my David Ensign PB: Ideas before Cindy sent me everybody else’s back so I didn’t have the advantage of seeing everybody’s responses when I sent mine in and I didn’t change any of mine, so I’m I don’t have a leg up on anybody Cindy Spence: And I still have everyone’s if everyone wants to see everyone’s so about to see everyone’s anyway so David Ensign PB: I’ll go, I’ll be in front of you and Peter Vitale PB: Oh, woe is a family show Cindy Spence: Okay, so Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So listen because David just cut two minutes at everybody’s break. You’ve got till 807 right and then we’ll, we’ll get into the letter, when you get back. Okay David Ensign PB: Great Harmon Zuckerman, PB: All righty. Bye bye Cindy Spence: David Cindy Spence: Yes, there’s anything that you want to run through or anything, I’ll be here, the whole I’m not walking away from my computer anything David Ensign PB: Okay, well let’s um let’s let me share the screen with you and see what you think. It looks like Cindy Spence: Okay David Ensign PB: I tried this out with David Ensign PB: With Mike earlier today Cindy Spence: I’m going to move by zoom mobile move all my people over here David Ensign PB: Yeah. So I find that if you kind of like grab the little are you can make everybody’s pictures quite small and the and get more screen real estate for when I’m sharing Cindy Spence: I’m actually moving them over my other monitor here. So I’ve got all my people over here, and I’ve got my screen here so I can see your mural David Ensign PB: Alright, so, um, so this is kind of like a the 10,000 foot view where I can you know I can scroll through and show people how to how I have the three questions and I put all their all of their input color coded by person and then I tried to categorize them so that we can get us started David Ensign PB: So when I’m you probably can’t read all the lettering here. Very well. Right. It’s Right Cindy Spence: So I David Ensign PB: thought if I like around um

Cindy Spence: Oh, okay David Ensign PB: Maybe this level David Ensign PB: Is it started to get a little bit easier to read Cindy Spence: That that’s easier. Yeah David Ensign PB: So, um, Cindy Spence: Any funny. The gray still real tiny David Ensign PB: That one. Yeah, I can actually take David Ensign PB: Individual ones and Cindy Spence: I think you can just use your scroll thing to you don’t have to necessarily go down to that arrow Cindy Spence: You know, the, the bar. I think you can just use your scroll. Do you have like David Ensign PB: The schools going up and down for me, like, oh, OK. OK. I know. I think there’s a way you can do that Cindy Spence: You hold down your, your left mouse key and then use your scroll. Does that work and use your roller at the same time David Ensign PB: Now, Okay David Ensign PB: Good. I am, but I David Ensign PB: I think it’s probably okay for me just to set, I can go in a little bit more and then David Ensign PB: Yeah. And now I can just move around to various places right Cindy Spence: Yeah, it looks great David Ensign PB: So I think we’ll be able to read it David Ensign PB: This is what will be will have on our recording and then David Ensign PB: If people join me on the mural. They can move their cursor around appointed stuff to David Ensign PB: Show. I see that john crystals already on there so David Ensign PB: Yeah, maybe we’ll get some other people David Ensign PB: With and and then what what I’m gonna do David Ensign PB: Is we’re going to probably spend a lot of time talking. First, but once we get ready. We’re going to go and we’re going to drag dots over from this area David Ensign PB: On to the various areas that we think we should include in the letter and just see how that works. So I’m giving everybody five dots per question and then I’m also giving them x’s in case they think we should be to some things Cindy Spence: So this Cindy Spence: Sounds great David Ensign PB: People may feel strongly that something shouldn’t appear, and I think we should highlight that. So yeah, and then we’ll just see how it goes David Ensign PB: And I’m thinking, if we get to the point where we have general themes decided and maybe a little bit of wording discussed, we can just lead editor and we can decide on an editor to go off and take the next step and formulate a draft for the next meeting David Ensign PB: Yeah, make sense Cindy Spence: Sounds great. Yeah David Ensign PB: Well, I’ll just leave this sharing Sarah Silver PB: David, a recent posted. Click on the thing you Cindy Spence: Sent us David Ensign PB: You can go ahead and and see what happens when you go in. Yeah Sarah Silver PB: Well, my computer blow up David Ensign PB: I hope not Sarah Silver PB: I’ll let you know Sarah Silver PB: My name Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: Is so exciting. David, we’re using us at the staff level for almost everything these days. So David Ensign PB: I don’t have any training on it so Sarah Silver PB: You can navigate around Sarah Silver PB: Okay, hold on David Ensign PB: The visiting hippopotamus for some reason John David Ensign PB: Well, I know john is the visiting penguin Sarah Silver PB: It’s super hard to read David Ensign PB: Yeah, I’m gonna make I’m going to fix that. When we get in there Sarah Silver PB: Nobody even on the thing you sent us Sarah Silver PB: Well, the changes you make Sarah Silver PB: Filling show up on what we’re David Ensign PB: Learning to teach you how to zoom in and stuff Sarah Silver PB: Okey dokey David Ensign PB: Unfortunate unfortunately that’s one thing when you’re in the mural what I’m sharing is my screen. And then once you’re in the mural. You can zoom to your own level and go wherever you want. I mean, you take a couple bites of food before we start I cannot see this at all David Ensign PB: If you are starting to look around. Yeah. Just try not to click on things and move them around too much. But what you can do is on the lower right. There’s a hand icon

Sarah Silver PB: And if you go right David Ensign PB: It will put you in a move mode where you can then David Ensign PB: Drag the screen screen around. So that’s how you move around and then resume. You can either use that zoom thing right above the hand to zoom two different zoom levels or you can David Ensign PB: Possibly. Use your, your wheel on your mouse but mine doesn’t mean isn’t working with zoom Sarah Silver PB: But so the hand allows you to Sarah Silver PB: Oh, well, that allows me to move it David Ensign PB: Around see like you can move to the upper right of the whole chart David Ensign PB: And then you can go back where that hand is and turn off move modes of the you’re not moving. Every time you click again and then you can go up to that place where there’s a plus, minus. And you can drag the ball around to different zoom levels Sarah Silver PB: So that minus David Ensign PB: Yeah, you can. Plus it or minus it or you can drag the ball in the middle around to zoom around Sarah Silver PB: Hmm, well that’s not working Sarah Silver PB: Yeah, it’s not working, get any bigger David Ensign PB: Isn’t it so you could go to that hand again and see if it says, Turn off move mode Sarah Silver PB: It just Sarah Silver PB: I’m in move mode David Ensign PB: You are. I’m going to turn off mute mode and then go up and try to click on the plus and the minus on the zoom level and see if that Sarah Silver PB: Haha, yes. Oh, wow. That gets big fast David Ensign PB: Yeah, so that’s why you may want to use the ball and and drag it around on the bar, which also lets you go to Sarah Silver PB: Me. That’s really hard to read David Ensign PB: I think I’m around 35% is really or maybe 26% is pretty good of zoom level Sarah Silver PB: Okay, and then then put it back on, move mode. So you can kind of move it around a look at it David Ensign PB: Um, yeah. Moving move mode is nice and it’s safe because it means you won’t start clicking on things and David Ensign PB: Taking over David Ensign PB: All the work that I did to move things around. So I’m not going to want people moving these posts around David Ensign PB: I i’m going to do that for the team. I’m just going to mainly have people vote unless we get find it find ourselves getting really advanced and then maybe we’ll start typing stuff in. I don’t know. But let’s we’ll start, start slow and see how it goes John Gerstle PB: Oh, that’s, that’s very impressive. David, I haven’t used this before David Ensign PB: It’s pretty I. It has a lot of really cool capabilities. You can go into breakout rooms David Ensign PB: You can collaborate on stuff and then come back and David Ensign PB: I know it’s tempting to like drag stuff around and stuff, but be careful because I spent a lot of time putting the Lisa Smith PB: Whole unintentional arrow movement David Ensign PB: There’s you Lisa Smith PB: Can just move around it without Lisa Smith PB: There we go. Got it David Ensign PB: There’s an undo thing if you accidentally do something right up at the top where it says planning board do why letter to counsel. There’s a little undo wheel to the right of that that you can click to undo anything that you accidentally do Lisa Smith PB: Just Control Z work as well or not in this interface David Ensign PB: I don’t know Lisa Smith PB: I’m gonna bury Harmon Zuckerman, PB: It can you drop your screen down for a minute, and we’ll just get this this item started John Gerstle PB: To work either way, David John Gerstle PB: I see my name is misspelled on the, on the, so it’s L. E. At the end, rather than, you know, David Ensign PB: Oh, look at that. Okay David Ensign PB: We’ll fix that. All right David Ensign PB: Okay, great Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Well welcome back everybody. And this is our last meeting agenda item for the night Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So let’s, let’s see if we can do a good efficient job with this and just wanted to thank David, as you know, David is our vice chair and he does an amazing job. And he offered to facilitate this portion of our meeting. Now, year after year, we, we have a whiteboard Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We go into a room and sometimes, you know, a member of planning board takes the pens. I’ve done it Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, before me. There were other planning board members who did it and try to hammer out a Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Try to hammer out a letter that we can all agree on that really represents our priorities

Harmon Zuckerman, PB: That we want to communicate to city council every year and this year is different because we’re not in a room together. And so, as David said he got a chance to see how mural worked and we’re going to try it tonight Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I do want to turn it over to David and let him just facilitate the rest of this portion and the first thing that that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: David’s going to talk about is to set our expectations and our goals for what we’re going to accomplish tonight Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And then we can get in back into some of the technical questions or whatever, David, you want to do to get us prepped to get into the meat of this. So go ahead, David, and thank you David Ensign PB: Great. Oh, I see my videos for some reason David Ensign PB: All right. So yeah, I’ll what I’ll do is I’ll go ahead and David Ensign PB: Let’s talk real quick first about the the way that will go about this. So I’ve had the I’ve laid out the three questions on this workspace with all of the comments that Cindy received and kind of organize them into themes and so I thought we should David Ensign PB: Maybe decide on how much time we want to spend kind of going through the theme themes and I thought it would make sense to do a pass through all three questions. First, just to see what everybody had said about all three questions David Ensign PB: Then go back and do some voting to see how which people how people feel about each of the themes in the questions that and which ones should be included in the letter David Ensign PB: And then we we probably ought to talk about do we want this letter to be just kind of high level with a few really brief bullet, you know, points and maybe David Ensign PB: Try to stick to a page or at most two pages or are people wanting to make this more verbose letter. I know the last couple years we’ve tried to keep ourselves reined in as much as possible to create a fairly brief letter that really just highlighted the David Ensign PB: Very top topics but David Ensign PB: I thought, Man, I thought maybe you might throw that out there to see two people have a feeling for how many themes we would like to address in each of the three questions David Ensign PB: Or should we wait until we see what’s out there to kind of make that decision Lisa Smith PB: I think, see how it comes together before making the call. Okay David Ensign PB: Yeah. My thought is that man I’ll tell you how David Ensign PB: I thought we could vote now before we start as well, just so you can be thinking about that. So let me share my screen David Ensign PB: So now I’m sharing for the purpose of the recording and I’ll be the David Ensign PB: What I’m sharing on zoom will be what the public sees and what will be the plan of record, so I’m going to try to do most of the driving. For that reason, however David Ensign PB: It looks like most of you have actually gotten on mural. So you can actually participate on mural. You don’t necessarily have to be looking at the zoom screen David Ensign PB: But to do that, you’ll need to have a little bit of knowledge about how to navigate around on the mural screen David Ensign PB: Because I’m going to be going to specific areas and you’ll need to kind of know you need to go there, too, because you actually will have to zoom in on the same area. I am so look down at the bottom right here David Ensign PB: This is there’s a little control area at the bottom right, that has a hand and like a mapping of the screen and then a zoom level. So you can actually take the mapping of the screen and you can drag the box around there to move around David Ensign PB: So you can the overall screen. You can act. Also, you can click on the hand and that lets you go around and move over on the screen area itself David Ensign PB: Which is kind of convenient. Like if you want. So you click on the hand you’re in move mode David Ensign PB: And when you click on the hand a second time it’ll turn off move mode and that that’s what you’re going to do if you actually want to go click on some item on the screen or or type something which will see we won’t probably do that until we start voting David Ensign PB: And then the other thing is the zoom level David Ensign PB: These are you’ll see on here. The writing is pretty small so you’re going to have once you were working on one area of this, we’re going to want to zoom in higher than 12% David Ensign PB: So you can just click plus and it’ll start zooming into different levels. And then you can kind of use that hand again to kind of move over to where you want it to be. So I’m going to probably be on at least 21% when I start when we start working on looking at the the writing David Ensign PB: So that’s just kind of an overview of how we’re all going to work on, girl

Sarah Silver PB: That means that it can you explain like on this first the first box Sarah Silver PB: The brat. The green boxes that I think you have created as your summaries of what you see here is David Ensign PB: Let me explain all that David Ensign PB: Now, so the way this. So the way our workspace is organized as we have the three questions in gray. And so, as if I David Ensign PB: If you go up and down, you can see the three questions and below the questions all these different color coded post it’s have the inputs that you send in David Ensign PB: And they’re my apologize if anyone is colorblind, because that would make this very hard but but I just let me know if that if you are but um but yeah so Sarah’s comments are in yellow John’s here in purple, etc, etc David Ensign PB: And what I did was so then I just copied from the what Cindy sent me and then I just kind of tried to get a start on organizing them into categories, just to help us kind of get organized. So that’s I just took the liberty of saying, hey, these first four David Ensign PB: Boxes you see up at the upper right under the first question, the yellow, purple, green and pink all involved the use table subcommittee Sarah Silver PB: Oh, I see. Okay David Ensign PB: Okay. And then as you go right. The BBC P midterm. There was one comment on that. And so I just called that BBC update. So these dark green boxes are our general themes. And so I just thought that would help us to kind of talk through these things David Ensign PB: And so in our first pass, I thought we would go through the three questions and maybe just go through each theme, one by one and David Ensign PB: Gosh, if it would take us probably well we take us an hour to get through this. If we spend 20 minutes per question. So that means we can spend a few minutes per theme, but we have to kind of keep ourselves from getting too carried away. But I thought like, for example, you sit table subcommittee David Ensign PB: Sarah you and john and Lisa and I could just kind of chat about what we put in our boxes Cindy Spence: Yeah yeah man or up for a second. Yes, gonna increase the size of your screen because we’ve had some folks say that they found the public say they can’t read your screen David Ensign PB: Sure, yeah. Since we’re now talking about those boxes. I was gonna do that once we started talking about content anyway Cindy Spence: Okay, thank you David Ensign PB: You’re I am at the top of question one and David Ensign PB: Are people able to read these the text now with the way I’m zoomed in on zoom Sarah Silver PB: Yes, I have a, I have a question that has maybe this goes to both you and to Herman. So last year when we did this, we were giving our thoughts, our shared thoughts about what what we thought this Council should prioritize Sarah Silver PB: They asked us a different set of questions. This year, which Harmon. I think revised in a way that was very useful to us Sarah Silver PB: But it doesn’t necessarily Sarah Silver PB: The way they frame the questions originally did not did not imply did not indicate they wanted us to give them our recommendations for what their focus might be next year Sarah Silver PB: But do we all agree that that is what we would like our letter to focus on our recommendations to them or do we want to try to frame it back into Sarah Silver PB: This was good. And this was bad, or this made us happy. And this made us unhappy. I just feel like we need to that would help me as we start this conversation to be clear about what we’re trying to accomplish with our letter Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So I can jump in there. And I think that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: If we want to focus more on recommendations to counsel. The third question is is just, we should just prioritize the weight that we put on the third question, because the first two questions are really meant to be more retrospective than prospective Harmon Zuckerman, PB: What recent decision. So that’s a past thing that’s something we decided on change the code that’s a code change that was made planning trend is not really retrospective. That’s something that’s going on in the field Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, those are the questions we’re asking in the first two, which are the, the things we find to be positive around decisions changes to code and trends Harmon Zuckerman, PB: But the last question which has to do with what should our priorities be for 2021. I think that’s where where a recommendation could really live

Sarah Silver PB: That’s very helpful. Do we want. I’m just been can I, I’d love to hear from our fellow board members. Is that what we want to do is to write a have a letter that focuses on our recommendations David Ensign PB: I think that it’s um David Ensign PB: It’s true should focus on guiding future priorities and recommendations that the board has a fairly good consensus on. Yeah David Ensign PB: I think that makes that makes sense. And that’s, um, I see it. I’m Peter you’ve been voting no i i would i think it’s okay. I just don’t want to two people to get too excited about their votes. Before we talk Peter Vitale PB: Oh, apologies David Ensign PB: But you did. You did what we’re going to do. Let me talk about the voting the bed. This gets to a little bit Sarah about what we’ll what I’m thinking. Will do. After we talked through all this David Ensign PB: I gave everybody five votes for what they like and you can put maybe more than one on one. If you really love one, but I thought maybe five would give people the David Ensign PB: Ability and this is kind of what we did last year with Brian when Brian facilitated this. We’ve had a number of votes and we put them up David Ensign PB: I thought five would give, give us a pretty good opportunity to really highlight the ones we like the best David Ensign PB: I also thought maybe some exes might be good because there might be something on here that you really don’t think is appropriate for the board to David Ensign PB: Weigh in on in this format and we can discuss why that might be. If we see some x’s, but I really felt like David Ensign PB: Specifically if board members feel that there might not be consensus on something or David Ensign PB: That we already weigh in on it. You know, you know, cause a judicial wave and it’s inappropriate to do that in an annual letter David Ensign PB: That somebody might want to exit out and I don’t want to go any further beyond that because the discussion will happen when we see an x, I’m sure David Ensign PB: But, um, but that’s what those are for is if you feel pretty strongly that we probably shouldn’t go there David Ensign PB: Please feel free to put an X on it, and then we’ll talk through that. And then I thought that would just give us an opportunity to say, hey, look. This one got the most votes. This one got the next most and and David Ensign PB: It doesn’t have to be a hard and fast rule about how we move things over. But I think we’d like to get to the point where we say, Hey, let’s pull this David Ensign PB: And when I put this arrow here that says themes I thought we’d pull the themes over to the right of the workspace that we decide we do want to include in the letter and start to whittle it down that way Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So I think one of the things, David that that might be useful, certainly I think would help. Given the the voting strategy Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Is for us to know or decide at least provisionally, how many items. We’re going to put forward under each of the three questions because if we’re going to put Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, five items for it under each of the questions and I might spread my votes differently than a for only going to put one Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, in that case, I might just want to put all my chips on the one that I want the most so we Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I don’t, I’m a proponent of short letters. I think that the the city council’s got 23 words to read letters from. And while we’re pretty important board. We don’t want to overtax their attention and they’re getting a lot of input. So, you know, for, for me, I’d like to see something like Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Two items under the first question two items under the second question, and three priorities under the third Harmon Zuckerman, PB: How do people feel about Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Numbers like that John Gerstle PB: I i John Gerstle PB: Think that’s reasonable. And I think that Harmon, your, your, what you were talking about earlier about providing our suggestions for the future under the third category is also a good idea David Ensign PB: Yeah. Um, one thing that I noticed on the third category is we didn’t get quite as much David Ensign PB: input on that. So that may be the third category may be ripe for a little bit more discussion David Ensign PB: You know it, man. Maybe we’ll come up with a few things that we didn’t David Ensign PB: We had a lot on the first and the second question a lot more than we need. I think then David Ensign PB: Okay. Well, with that in mind, do you think we can spend time now talking through everybody’s input and just kind of David Ensign PB: Get general reactions and and and see what what we got for each of the two questions. And as a pass through, and then maybe after that we’ll focus on finishing up our voting, so that makes sense

Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Sounds good David Ensign PB: Great. Okay. So let’s start with a question one. What recent decision change to code or planning trend, do you see as a particularly positive and we’d like to build upon so David Ensign PB: Again, I just, I didn’t try to order these in any special order, but I’m the first one here is I summarized is use table subcommittee. So maybe Sarah, did you want to start us off David Ensign PB: With Sarah Silver PB: Sure. I’m sorry. I’m trying to figure out how to move. My Little Pony thing, but whatever David Ensign PB: Yeah, we can that’s Sarah Silver PB: Um, so I I was so thrilled to be a part of the US table review subcommittee. It was both a fascinating experience and Sarah Silver PB: I think it although sometimes it bled over what it’s what it’s remit was a little bit Sarah Silver PB: I think, I think a lot of really interesting ideas were put on the table that once having once it goes through the public process and refinements would set the stage for some very interesting and and important Sarah Silver PB: Planning potential for the city Sarah Silver PB: So I think from a, from a priority perspective, excuse me, from a priorities perspective, being able to have that go through to the end to, you know, to complete the process Sarah Silver PB: Is an important step Sarah Silver PB: That touches touches every neighborhood and all the way to the boundaries of the city versus a particular sub community plan. So I think this is an important process that was begun, and it would be wonderful if Council could prioritize it in 2021 to complete it David Ensign PB: Great john you also had a comment on that one John Gerstle PB: Yeah, I mean, basically the same as Sarah’s, I think it was well done efficiently done very useful and and worthwhile so David Ensign PB: That at least David Ensign PB: Commented on that one. I see David Ensign PB: Yeah Lisa Smith PB: I voted. Um, I don’t know if it’s an orthodox or not allowed, but I just put my green.on like you stable subcommittee generally Lisa Smith PB: Because I wasn’t necessarily trying to call it anyone’s particular verbiage, I think we can maybe look at what various people said on that and combine it in the final edited letter. So yeah, instead of voting. I’m just one of us. I just said, I think we should include us table subcommittee David Ensign PB: Great. And that’s exactly what I wanted people to do. And since people are starting to vote. Maybe that’ll save this time so David Ensign PB: start dragging your dots over Sarah I see you figured out how to drag it over David Ensign PB: You have to definitely be moved mode if David Ensign PB: You’re in moved mode. You’re just going to drag the screen around so you have David Ensign PB: To go Peter Vitale PB: Zoom Bye everybody David Ensign PB: That died and you move it over. So next one I just put down BBC period P been term update as something that I thought went well David Ensign PB: And I don’t know that anybody’s gonna want to vote for that one, but David Ensign PB: I put that one down David Ensign PB: Let’s see, East boulder area planning David Ensign PB: Let’s see, let’s go in the opposite order. This time I said that the works been doing great and envisioning future area a boulder with a lot of potential and we look forward to seeing what land use proposals will come out of this effort Lisa Smith PB: Gentlemen, are you Lisa Smith PB: Are you triple voting on equity Lisa Smith PB: Yeah, okay Lisa Smith PB: Do that John Gerstle PB: I thought we were going to be doing a big voting at the end of this or David Ensign PB: Yeah, that’s what I am vision, but people are having fun voting so Lisa Smith PB: I’m not gonna worry about it. You gave us the stickers and now we’re running around your planning meeting, putting them on things we Like David Ensign PB: If I vote last time. The advantage Peter Vitale PB: Has anyone ever been to an unconference where the participants the attendees start the conference by voting on the topics. And that’s what then the conferences about Lisa Smith PB: Nope. It sounds fun Or dangerous David Ensign PB: Well i’m john and Sarah, do you want to talk about your input on each folder. You’re planning. Are you pretty much similar to what I said John Gerstle PB: Yeah. Oh, go ahead Sarah Silver PB: I was just gonna say my, I think it was a real. I was very impressed with how staff manage the process. I mean, they deserve a lot of kudos for what they what they’ve brought my only my only

Sarah Silver PB: Concern was that there wasn’t adequate representation from some of our more marginal can meet more marginalized communities Sarah Silver PB: So it kind of intersects with the equity concerns Sarah Silver PB: But hopefully as the process becomes a more public process, unless they have a working group process. The city can do as much as possible to bring in all of those other voices David Ensign PB: Yeah, with these boulder area planning team, you have this the village and David Ensign PB: San Juan del Centro neighborhoods. I wonder if there were opportunities. Now that we have the connectors program there could be ways to offset the financial impacts of participating on working group, potentially, so that’s John Gerstle PB: It. I don’t think Sam Juan del Sur controls in it, but I David Ensign PB: Well, they’re not in it, but there are JASON Right. There’s not many not actual residential neighborhood foundry John Gerstle PB: Son was our Oh is it isn’t it John Gerstle PB: But, uh, the John Gerstle PB: I also had a positive remark about this but i. And so I think we should. It’s good to be doing it I raised a couple of concerns and John Gerstle PB: You know, I, I’m trying to figure out our how that’s most effectively done keeping keeping in mind the, the purpose of this letter Sarah Silver PB: What were your concerns. I’m just, I’m David Ensign PB: We’re gonna get Sarah Silver PB: We’re gonna get into concerns later okay I’m David Ensign PB: Sorry. The second question isn’t a john you have any concerns listed Peter Vitale PB: Yeah, best service very end of grievances David Ensign PB: Not agree this is what we David Ensign PB: Just to put this in perspective, this would be the idea of including area planning is one of the things we talked about in our answer to question one, what made us happy, or what was a good thing and planning for the year David Ensign PB: The next one was affordable housing David Ensign PB: That one I put down affordable housing projects have been moving forward. And that’s always great to see. I think we saw a number of good ones. This year, so I put that one there David Ensign PB: Alpine balsam the pizza Yes. Yep David Ensign PB: You want to say on that, that when you you mentioned Lupita D Montoya: Yeah, so I I saw that as a more than anything. Ray possibility that we haven’t made final decisions and that I think we have an opportunity to really do something special. So I’m I’m what you good to see what’s going on. And I was so glad to hear some of our Lupita D Montoya: Community members bring that up as well. So that was the point on down and I’m hoping that we’ll be able to do something with housing Lupita D Montoya: In a creative way that, yeah Lupita D Montoya: So to me, that that would be lumped in with affordable housing, because that’s really what I’m thinking about Lisa Smith PB: So I have a question. So as we talk about affordable housing. I know. The first question is, like, um, Lisa Smith PB: What’s going well, you know, what’s something that you think is really working Lisa Smith PB: And then the second question is, what’s something that’s a challenge or not going quite as well. And then third, is kind of word. What do you want us to put more time and effort in Lisa Smith PB: So as I’m kind of voting and like putting my dots in certain places I sort of chose to put housing Lisa Smith PB: As like something that I saw as I guess under the second area that it really needs more work. Which isn’t to say that wonderful work hasn’t happened or that I don’t think it should be a priority, but like I sort of categorize it that way, mentally, um, Lisa Smith PB: So yeah, I’m wondering, like, if we’re trying to keep it to, like, two things per section Lisa Smith PB: I wonder if any other planning board members are also thinking about like certain things being priorities but like you put them in different spots than under the first one. Does that make sense. Like, I’m trying to think like Lisa Smith PB: What do I feel like really is going well and to me you stable subcommittee. I think really well. Whereas I think about affordable housing, I think, okay, still quite a bit of work to do David Ensign PB: Yeah, and that’s why I thought Lisa would be useful to go through the whole all three questions before we vote because we might say, hey, David Ensign PB: It looks to me like we should talk about affordable housing mostly as something for the future. And if we decide that we might actually not vote that but you can still change your folks later so Lisa Smith PB: Okay, cool. Yeah, I just wanted to highlight that you know that that like just because I’m not voting for something under option one doesn’t mean it’s not a priority. I’m just maybe kind of conceptualizing it differently David Ensign PB: Yeah, I think will and something weird happened, things were moving around like crazy for me. Hold on one second. Let me just check my workspace here, so they did, somehow, somehow, everything moved. I’m going to try to get it back. Before we go on

David Ensign PB: Sorry, I’m not really used to this platform. Give me one second here David Ensign PB: Okay, that’s going to move it back to where it belongs. Some somehow in my workspace everything just kind of moved. I apologize Peter Vitale PB: Um, can you make a dummy avatar for yourself and then you won’t have the same permissions you can participate, like the rest of us David Ensign PB: I know David Ensign PB: I probably get so confused. Okay, good. So, um, I’m back David Ensign PB: Anybody who is watching the zoom just saw a lot of weird stuff happening. But now we’re back. Alright so that was alpine balsam yeah and David Ensign PB: When we go through and vote, we can and then talk about moving things over. If it turns out that David Ensign PB: The one or two or three things that we’re going to do in the category can be combined. And we think we want to mention David Ensign PB: Alpine file sim in affordable housing. We can certainly discuss doing something like that and we can make some notes to the editor to try to capture that. The next section here was equity Sarah Silver PB: Raise your hand Lupita D Montoya: I’m raising my hand because I’m I have a burning comment to make David Ensign PB: Oh, yeah Lupita D Montoya: So I did a bra and worship six hour long last year on how degrees adversity and environmental engineering and we did something like this exercise Lupita D Montoya: And the way we handled it was to put the topic. In this case, equity, it was more of Lupita D Montoya: That that that main theme with all of the related things around did because this looks very linear to me in this connected in the sense that, for example, I think of Lupita D Montoya: What’s happening at Ponderosa really belongs with equity. The same thing with alpine meta alpine Boston. You really is related to affordable housing so for somebody who thinks like me. This is disruptive Lupita D Montoya: And organized because the themes are not really collapsing nicely. So I think a lot of these things are really are connected Lupita D Montoya: In so when you’re, you can see that there’s commonalities and the commonalities that they’re all about equity, it’s a lot easier to make the case. This is really an important Lupita D Montoya: Topic that many people brought it up because I kind of tried to do something more of a objective example Lupita D Montoya: As opposed to a lot of words. So what equity. I want to move away from wording, we’re in the middle that have entered racism movement in this country. I’m tired awards Lupita D Montoya: I want to see the evidence that this thing is actually doing something about equity. So to me, Ponderosa is an example of it Lupita D Montoya: The although all the wordings, you know, I will just throw them out the window. As far as I’m concerned Lupita D Montoya: So yeah, I know some turn a blog, I apologize to our community community members that are listening to us. But, you know, this kind of thing that this is what we really need to start moving away from work Lupita D Montoya: In to the evidence that we are actually working on this things. So I think some of these things are very clear that we are doing stuff. And some of this stuff Lupita D Montoya: Later on, where we were going to say, you know, things that were not so happy about. You will notice that we also have commonality. So we’re going to be converging and a number of topics that I think Lupita D Montoya: It will become a lot more obvious. If we look, if we think less linearly and more holistically. That was my comment David Ensign PB: Thank you. The pita David Ensign PB: It is kind of a challenge because we each David Ensign PB: Sending words that I think people I felt like people would want their words to be seen. So that’s why I thought we just kind of going through one at a time. On a first pass on the Peter would, it would it David Ensign PB: Would be okay to like do kind of go through and see what everybody wrote first and then start to holistically group because I think you’re right. I think with equity, you can see, we’ve already got a whole bunch of dots on equity in general if we say that Ponderosa and David Ensign PB: Alpine balsam are related as we start to vote and move things around, then I would think we could be more holistic on how we kind of arranged stuff. Um, David Ensign PB: I i I’m trying to fit and think of how I can, how we can accommodate that quickly though because it’s um I don’t know this platform will enough to like create a whole new way of representing it. Yeah Lupita D Montoya: I, I feel for you. All I’m saying is that you know when I’m looking at the format. It was kind of like what we have to go through with us. And, you know, we have six hours to do it. That’s what I’m feeling bad

Lupita D Montoya: That we ended up doing all of these, you know, kind of, kind of agglomeration so the topics to try to go through quickly because Lupita D Montoya: In our case, we had a lot. We had like 80 people and so you gotta go quicker and some of the stuff but I appreciate this is not an easy thing, but I am very Lupita D Montoya: Very happy to see that some of the topics that we all care about is showing up. Now I have my doubts yet, but I see that they’re going to go to the similar places as everybody else Sarah Silver PB: Thank you. I make a suggestion that and it comes off of what Peter said, my guess is that each of us for each of us. There were themes that Sarah Silver PB: That flowed from the through the three questions and Sarah Silver PB: Maybe it would make sense for free to eat to pull each of us to pull the board members to articulate those themes and then begin to place Sarah Silver PB: The blocks blocks underneath those themes Sarah Silver PB: And Sarah Silver PB: That might enable us to Sarah Silver PB: Begin to organize this in a way that is trans label and communicable to the city council David Ensign PB: I’m sure. So are we proposing to stop doing what we’re doing and going through what everybody inputted first my my thought was, we just have everybody talk about what they were thinking that were and then we can start to arrange but Sarah Silver PB: I think we can. I think we can definitely keep doing what you’re proposing and maybe the next step is and then like, why did, why did you loopy to put the things down that you put down. And why did you Lisa put down the things you put down because those themes are Sarah Silver PB: Each of us did this separately and we’re in our own space when we did them and that’s not being that that iterative process isn’t being communicated to our colleagues Sarah Silver PB: Yet, and I think it would be a valuable add on to the process, you’ve laid out Peter Vitale PB: Yeah, I think you do a great thing by getting this down is exactly what would have done in person, to my knowledge, with the whiteboard and then the discussion is what flushes out. I think what the pita and Sarah maybe getting that. So, David, I would Like to Peter Vitale PB: Do what you did, because that’s the step David Ensign PB: Yeah, and I’d be glad to take a step back, we actually went more than halfway through David Ensign PB: This section talking about what each of our boxes said, um, but David Ensign PB: Would you prefer to go around the table and just talk about this in general. Is that what I’m hearing Sarah Silver PB: Then I’m not trying to, I’m not trying to I, personally, I’m not trying to Sarah Silver PB: Stop what the process we’re going through. I just think once we go through this part, we need, then it is useful to get to our the the themes in our own heads that we haven’t put out that put out on the table yet because we’re going through the boxes David Ensign PB: I think that makes perfect sense. I mean, this was just our first input. So let’s go ahead and David Ensign PB: slog through. I’m just looking at, um, and, and then after this. Yeah, absolutely. We can change the categories we can combine things we can talk about big picture. But I think it’s useful just to look at what everybody said David Ensign PB: As a first pass, just because that way we can kind of just take inventory. Does that make sense Sarah Silver PB: Yes David Ensign PB: Alright, so we were on equity David Ensign PB: And I think that Harmon and David Ensign PB: And David Ensign PB: Lisa both had the input, though, do you want to talk about your stickies maybe starting with harming Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, sure. I am you know I think this falls into the category of a trend Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, it’s, it’s definitely with George Floyd, there’s been a national recognition of systemic racism that we really haven’t seen in this country before Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I don’t know if it’s a reaction to Trump or if it’s something that’s going to be more lasting among the majority community but Harmon Zuckerman, PB: But we need to capture it in our planning efforts and, you know, as you know, I’ve been beating this drum around are spending on the Capital Improvement Program for five years Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And staff is finally made some effort, though I’d like to see it go further and that was one of the things you’ll see in my answer to the third question Harmon Zuckerman, PB: To start thinking about equity and resilience and local hiring and so forth in in the Capital Improvement Program

David Ensign PB: Great and Lisa, you had comments on that Lisa Smith PB: Um yeah you know so i i think that there have been Lisa Smith PB: meaningful steps and more attention put toward equity and what it means to actually be more active around that Lisa Smith PB: And this was one of my main themes that carried through all three questions. I believe said like I would be open to equity potentially showing up somewhere else as well. If the planning board sees it as being more appropriate Lisa Smith PB: Like under one of the things to continue focusing on. But yeah, that was one of the things that definitely Lisa Smith PB: stood out to me as something that I saw the city, you know, starting to take meaningful steps on board by no means done. I don’t think you’re ever done with that, but I was pleased with the additional focus and staffing and so when that was going toward it David Ensign PB: Great. Any other comments on that. I would just say that if we do choose equity in the section David Ensign PB: I would probably want to really think about making sure we have it in the third section as well because there’s plenty of work to be done right so it’s nice to acknowledge our what’s what we’ve accomplished David Ensign PB: Great and Lisa Smith PB: You know, and I would be open to like changing my vote Lisa Smith PB: In this section, in terms of, like, I think it depends on how we we conceive of this first question. You know, I guess. It says, Would you like to build upon as opposed to like, what do you think is Lisa Smith PB: You know done and dusted and we did it perfectly. So it’d be fine to be in here, but I could be swayed to like switch to know about library. If we want something more concrete, but I want equity to be a theme somewhere in here David Ensign PB: Yeah, I agree. Thank you David Ensign PB: Alright, see you south, I put down just because I felt like I just thought that with the process subcommittee, and the fact that they had a subcommittee that went off and looked at upstream, at the request of of the public. There’s been a lot of progress there. So I put that down David Ensign PB: The PTA you you you had Ponderosa on here Lupita D Montoya: Yeah, I like I said I was looking for examples of some of the things because I wanted to talk about you know that the things that I can tangibly look at that we made decisions for or that we so progressing. So my Lupita D Montoya: My comment about Ponderosa in the north or library that kind of on the similar vein that both about equity where we are actually showing Lupita D Montoya: Intangible tangible ways that some communities who haven’t gone into beneficial this city, for the most part, finally getting some. So I think that that’s the way they approach it. I was taking Yeah David Ensign PB: Great David Ensign PB: Um, I also, um, you and I both picked Novo library to the pizza is examples of I saw it as an example of something that really serves the community Well, David Ensign PB: And it was nice to see a good public manatee. Did you want to add anything to that repeater Lupita D Montoya: Um, I know. I think that was enough. I mean, I kept going on to all the possibilities in terms of, you know, Lupita D Montoya: Learning opportunities and what our Center for community to come together. I mean, really, it has many components to it, but I thought just bringing in as a very tangible example about project is moving forward and is promising in the location is is you know Lupita D Montoya: Very peculiar to me. You know, it is in that place where they really will serve Lupita D Montoya: Many people there are a lot of children in that area David Ensign PB: Great. And Peter you had you Peter Vitale PB: Yeah David Ensign PB: Well, things were improving with city council with regards to call ups and things Peter Vitale PB: Yeah, I was in a pretty dark moon, and I was considering all these questions and I was thinking about what seemed to have been a fairly contentious election and the way council and playing board swings on a pendulum and and how Peter Vitale PB: It Peter Vitale PB: That really kind of sapped a lot of value of what I thought we were doing when certain things felt more like political theater that we were just Peter Vitale PB: pawns in and so that feeling has a has gone away. And I feel like there’s been now some coming together. Back to the issues. And so I feel that’s a good thing. So there are Peter Vitale PB: As I knew there are some really phenomenal concepts on here Peter Vitale PB: And so I picked one that would be an outlier

Lupita D Montoya: You know, I would like to make a comment about that, um, Lupita D Montoya: I do agree that I have feeling really really good working in the board. And I think that our cohesiveness is increased, and so I feel, I feel like Lupita D Montoya: In terms of the decision making. It’s been a really nice process to be part of on you know like learning cuddle work in this group and see how everybody’s really trying to put, you know, Lupita D Montoya: The best effort forward and trying to make good decisions. And this year, when it takes a while Lupita D Montoya: I you know I feel this even like discussion, we just had a bad were renting this thing is like people really trying to do the right thing Lupita D Montoya: And put a good effort, it’s, it’s wonderful. It really is good to be part of something like that Lupita D Montoya: So thank you, Peter for, you know, saying that when things change. I’m glad that you have that perspective, you know, I just arrived, and I could already see any progression and it makes me feel really good to be part of this group Peter Vitale PB: Glad to hear David Ensign PB: And maybe the, you know, there, there are even if some of these don’t, we don’t get a lot of votes on them. There’s a possibility, the editor will see a way to kind of David Ensign PB: You know, maybe put a word or two in a sentence that just kind of indicate that we have better working relationships or improving working relationships that you can, there might be an opportunity there David Ensign PB: So community engagement is the last one in the on the section of things we were happy about last year. And I think that’s that Lisa Lisa Smith PB: Which one of the green one. Yes Lisa Smith PB: Yeah. So I talked about and that you know maybe this fits under affordable housing or, you know, other things but Lisa Smith PB: Just the fact that we still don’t really, you know, we’ve seen this with multiple products that have come up that the code still doesn’t allow Lisa Smith PB: For certain kinds of development and I saw this is linked to some other really good comments that people had about how with affordable housing and talking about how Lisa Smith PB: It kind of encourages more inexpensive and densely situated small units Lisa Smith PB: You know, yeah, and I just feel like we’re kind of we’re failing to preserve and then failing to build some of that missing middle housing that we really talked about. And so we’re getting a lot of Lisa Smith PB: condos and apartments and these smaller things going on. And we have quite a lot of that housing stock and then we’re getting very expensive large homes and not as much of the smaller homes and so that’s something that has bothered me and continues to bother me Lisa Smith PB: And also that we just, I don’t think we can get to 10 or 15 minute neighborhoods with current code here David Ensign PB: Okay. Well, that’s good. Oh, somebody just dragged when you drag things Lisa Smith PB: There, stop Sarah Silver PB: I didn’t realize that my dragging it on my thing affected you guys, sorry David Ensign PB: You’re not in the mood mode and you start dragging boxes around you all have edit on everything. Edit capabilities on everything. So yeah. Just try not to drag things around. And it’s actually kind of confusing. Every once in a while, things like that happen unexpectedly so David Ensign PB: Drag my theme zero back into here, for example, so good. Um, well that was basically a pass through everybody’s input on question one. So, David Ensign PB: I did my best to categorize and just to sum it up to kind of group them, but we can take a loop back and just totally do whatever we want in terms of are there different categories. Do we want to combine David Ensign PB: But should we go ahead and continue through this way and then just see what we had on two and three and then come back. Does that make sense. Yes, please. Great. Because I think it’s good to know what we have coming up as well. Wait Sarah Silver PB: So, so you’re moving it now in my the one I have open on my laptop is not moving. So can I move it myself without screwing EVERYONE ELSE HAVE YOU Lisa Smith PB: Do you have a trackpad Sarah or using a mouse Sarah Silver PB: I’m using a mouse Lisa Smith PB: Okay, so, um, I think down on the right, there’s a little explanation of how the mouse works. I’m using a trackpad, but there’s like you want the little hand instead of the pointer Sarah Silver PB: So that’s what I have Lisa Smith PB: Okay. And when you use the hand and say I Sarah Silver PB: See, I see, I see. I see. Thank you. Yeah David Ensign PB: That makes sense. It looks like we we lost a box out of land use outcomes Lisa Smith PB: Equity has wandered somewhere. And sorry, I think I skipped ahead. One last one, but Lisa Smith PB: You’ve already heard my take on David Ensign PB: So let’s see. I’ll let Harmon and Lisa talk about these land use outcomes. And then I’m going to try to locate where the missing Lupita D Montoya: Box went On that David Ensign PB: These are things that we are disappointed about

David Ensign PB: If we find negative, right. Sorry, I’m gonna Lisa Smith PB: Yes. As you search for the box. So I actually already just spoke about this. I apologize. I kind of skipped ahead one because of where I was on my screen. So instead of focusing community engagement. I was already on to the next question. And talking about Lisa Smith PB: Code and 10 and 15 minute neighborhoods and the kinds of infill and housing, we can build and what’s preferences and what’s not. And so I think I already touched that and I’ll hand it over to Harmon Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, so I i think what I wrote is just a much more politically opinionated version of what Lisa wrote, and it’s really about just being disappointed that it’s it’s hard to you know get through the gridlock Harmon Zuckerman, PB: to reimagine our city in a, in a way that is Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Going to engender more justice and Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Peace and success in our societies and to create a really, you know, to create a delightful place to live Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, I think we, we end up with Harmon Zuckerman, PB: In a city like boulder where you know we have a single family monoculture 85% single families owning districts where nothing else is allowed Harmon Zuckerman, PB: It’s really hard to have a 15 minute neighborhoods have gathering place to have a place to you know get a cup of coffee with a neighbor. So anyway, that that’s a in co eight but it’s really saying the same thing. Lisa say David Ensign PB: All right. And I think that the third one amazingly was something that I had written David Ensign PB: So I can go find it here very quickly David Ensign PB: Negative gave Lisa Smith PB: I like that we’re all like assigned animals so like I can see Peter moving around and it says visiting goat David Ensign PB: Okay, yeah, I think Peter Vitale PB: Useless blocked on my screen Oh, Lisa Smith PB: I was hoping I think I’m visiting course but I can’t see mine Sarah Silver PB: Can I just make a connection to make a connection from what Harmon and Lisa just talked about, it seems to me like Sarah Silver PB: Although I think you’re you’re talking US various about some very specific kinds of changes like more at us, or whatever. I actually feel like the two comments that you all have discussed are reinforce the completion of the use table review process Sarah Silver PB: And would just like to point that out David Ensign PB: Yeah Lisa Smith PB: I definitely think it’s all linked I don’t entirely know which thing to like put it under and I don’t want my specific ideas which may or not be shared be shared by other individual board members to be part of it. But I think it’s a shared concern that we have overall as a group, perhaps David Ensign PB: And my words on this subject were while we continue to see excellent affordable housing proposal it under the current exclusionary housing program David Ensign PB: We find ourselves disappointed when proposals that do not have affordable housing built into them resolving high and expensive properties David Ensign PB: It’s great to have include your housing fees, but we also like to see more modest outcomes, on average, we’re still very challenged to move the needle much on affordable commercial space. So I, those were my comments in that David Ensign PB: All right, good. So the next group in what disappointed us was a shooting range comment by john John Gerstle PB: Yeah. Um, I don’t know how closely, you’ve been following but there’s a proposal to buy the county or or there’s a proposal that’s been considered not yet adopted to expand the shooting range in the John Gerstle PB: Planning reserve area north of town John Gerstle PB: I don’t have any particular opinions about whether it should or shouldn’t move ahead, but it’s something that affects a lot of people in the city because they’ll be hearing additional shooting and so on. In addition to affecting the city’s open space John Gerstle PB: Land directly to the north. So it’s something that it seems to me that the city should be fairly proactive in addressing John Gerstle PB: With respect to to providing input to the county and the city did like comments and Charles forwarded me those comments John Gerstle PB: But there they are primarily associated with open space concerns and not the shooting noises that the neighbors might hear that are in the city. So that’s, that’s why I’m John Gerstle PB: bringing this up because it seems to me the city should be more active in this decision making David Ensign PB: What is the process say around the area, area two kinds of activities in terms of who gets to weigh in

David Ensign PB: I mean we have to John Gerstle PB: It’s a county decision John Gerstle PB: Yeah but but the, the city is certainly has a has a big plant throws a lot of weight in that decision, given that it’s in the planning area, you know, affects a lot of city John Gerstle PB: Has a lot of impact on the city John Gerstle PB: So, John Gerstle PB: You know, this is just something I’m where I was trying to think of the things that I was unhappy with. And so this is one that has become John Gerstle PB: Apparent recently. Great David Ensign PB: And Peter, you talked about objectivity on the part of planning board members Peter Vitale PB: I feel that if we all did our voting records and historically looked at voting records we would see that these words as the pita said are words and that we’re often not acting in that way because in society biases and something that’s recognized Peter Vitale PB: Really, but we all bring it. And I think in this town, which has certain bedrock principles, there are just certain ways that things go Peter Vitale PB: And we heard comments earlier tonight about Peter Vitale PB: The public comments. Why isn’t there, housing, why isn’t there, housing, we all know why there’s not housing. We talk around it because people don’t want more things around them necessarily Peter Vitale PB: And there are certain entrenched ways of being and were appointed by elected officials and elected officials are elected via political process and it filters down to us. And as I said I was in a dark moon when I filled this out, but Peter Vitale PB: There’s an aspect of theater that sometimes Peter Vitale PB: Is we’re better than and I think Peter Vitale PB: That’s something that we’re not going to solve for. And I’m not here to bring it up as a topic, necessarily, but more as a way of Peter Vitale PB: Highlighting conversation so that sometimes we can step out and I’m not innocent either, but a way of stepping out of our of our bias towards a concept because we all have our social and Peter Vitale PB: We have our context and in where people and that’s impossible to shed and Peter Vitale PB: I don’t know how we get there. I’m really excited about Peter Vitale PB: language and concepts that Lapidus brought up since joining the board Peter Vitale PB: And I want to find ways to to bring that out and for all of us to to do more in that regard. And I don’t mean this as a Peter Vitale PB: As a judgment. It sounds like it and I would have written this, but it’s just a concept every once awhile I realized that we’re products of this of this beautiful boulder experiment and Peter Vitale PB: That’s what I’m trying to get David Ensign PB: Into steam and it is of course when I’m with an appointed board. It’s a little different from elected officials in some ways. I wonder if this looks like something that could be a really interesting topic in a retreat as well David Ensign PB: To dig into it Peter Vitale PB: Yeah, and I think it just boils down to people who have a business interest. Currently, and have to accuse something while others don’t have to choose something that Peter Vitale PB: You know what, what is the definition of bias and conflict and Peter Vitale PB: An ex parte de it seems often to be narrowly defined too narrowly defined Peter Vitale PB: For some for what we’re actually all aspiring to do here Okay David Ensign PB: So let me take a check on his Cindy. Has anybody from the public said they’re not able to read when I’m moving around on the screen or anybody unhappy out there. But, you know, are we okay at this point Cindy Spence: So far we seem okay Cindy Spence: Yeah, I haven’t had anyone else say anything since the very beginning David Ensign PB: Great. Okay. Hopefully people, and are we okay just we’re about halfway through now. So can we just keep walking through and then we’ll take that higher level picture. Once we once we get through everybody’s input we okay David Ensign PB: Nobody’s too stressed David Ensign PB: All right David Ensign PB: Peter you okay David Ensign PB: Good. Great. Yeah, sorry. It’s so linear, but it’s really hard for me to undo what I get Lupita D Montoya: To try to maybe save some time just by starting putting some of these ideas together, but maybe not. You took over this leadership, so Lupita D Montoya: I must told you to do. When I have two David Ensign PB: Great. Maybe I’ll do it next year. Hmm. Alright

David Ensign PB: So I’m seeing David Ensign PB: Certain john, would you like to speak to why you put that under disappointments Sarah Silver PB: And I’ll speak first john if that’s all right Sarah Silver PB: Um, so I think this is just a very frustrating and challenging process part, by definition, and Sarah Silver PB: As an observer to the process Sarah Silver PB: First, I just, I really appreciate how hard staff has been working on this. I mean, oh my god Sarah Silver PB: I thank them from the bottom of my heart for doing all the hard the heavy lifting. Um, but the the linkage of the medic flood mitigation and the annexation Sarah Silver PB: Is Sarah Silver PB: The fact that we haven’t been able to unlinked them Sarah Silver PB: Makes it very challenging to for there to be Sarah Silver PB: A lot. The, the kind of in depth public conversation about some of the challenges in the annexation process and in the outcome of the annexation, because the annexation agreement is will be the final say of what the city knows it can Sarah Silver PB: Will see on this land on this parcel and Sarah Silver PB: That’s a very different process from this gigantic annexation. And it’s a very different process and other annexation have gone through in terms of what the city’s being Sarah Silver PB: May be asked to pay for and do and and I just think it’s a Sarah Silver PB: I think, I think the guidelines are great and but they keep getting sort of not all of them, but they kind of Sarah Silver PB: get pushed to the side by see us Sarah Silver PB: By see us desires and I, I just don’t feel like it’s equal partners, they are equal partners, but they’re also kind of not equal partners, I find it frustrating. I’m Sarah Silver PB: so disappointed in the process. I’m really pleased that the city has figured out the flood mitigation framework and I would love for see you to let the city, go ahead and start working on that Sarah Silver PB: Because that’s what the folks who live downstream need and trust that the the annexation agreement process will be one of equals, who want the best outcome for both see you and the city David Ensign PB: John, did you want to add anything to that John Gerstle PB: Yeah, well I you know I don’t want to re, re litigate this, but I think there was a this is this is my chance they asked what we were unhappy with John Gerstle PB: That happened in the city and and this you know i i feel strongly that that the decision that was adopted for the hundred year flood the planning efforts John Gerstle PB: Was John Gerstle PB: Is is not the correct one. So, without going into detail, I just take this opportunity to make that point John Gerstle PB: I recognize that perhaps not everyone else on the planning board agrees with me, but I think that, you know, those who are who are active in the field of water management which which I am are aware of the pros and cons and generally speaking John Gerstle PB: They would have made a different choice, but the choice has been made, but this is my last chance to grumble about it is Lupita D Montoya: Your record john Lupita D Montoya: I remember John Gerstle PB: I’m sorry I didn’t Lupita D Montoya: Record I Remember, Lupita D Montoya: The flood come David Ensign PB: Alright, well, we’ll I’m sure we’ll when we vote, we can discuss further if you know what what others are thinking on on whether that needs to be included in a letter to counsel David Ensign PB: At this point, and you know, and that again on some of these, we have the ability to weigh in, when we actually look at them on our agenda as well. So whether we decided it’s appropriate to go in will kind of depend on David Ensign PB: The next level leap through this, I guess, East boulder area planning I jam John Gerstle PB: Yeah, well, you know, I’ve been participating in the in the efforts there as this layout on and I think the staff has been doing a terrific job and very effective. But, uh, I have, I have a few concerns which are laid out here John Gerstle PB: That I think are important. And so I’m hoping that they can be considered in the future planning efforts

David Ensign PB: And as we began the Macy’s project was a disappointment for you Lupita D Montoya: Yeah, I wish we had come out a little bit different. Is it was a tag in my heart because I liked the the building proposal, but I wish they had been Lupita D Montoya: A way to really make something less have any well is an increasing the imbalance and so I kept thinking, you know, we’re going in the wrong direction. And how do we stop this, you can’t Lupita D Montoya: Buy. Hopefully, you know, Lupita D Montoya: We can we can resist. Some of these tendencies is some of these projects really are, you know, looking good, but they’re not they’re not really helping with the browsers that we have here David Ensign PB: AND JOHN I think you also John Gerstle PB: I think my John Gerstle PB: Thoughts are similar to the Peters given given the problems and that we’re dealing with and trying to address it didn’t seem to me that the Macy’s development moved in the in the right direction David Ensign PB: All right, and then under I had some something under disappointments. I said the coven crisis presented a number of challenges to our community David Ensign PB: Economic economical, I should say economic challenges or no economically challenging times reduce the number of future planning scenarios is capital gets squeezed and sometimes that means that David Ensign PB: We don’t see as much flexibility to achieve our goals and we’ve seen programs trimmed and delayed on the city staff level. As a result, we have furloughs David Ensign PB: So and budget constraints. So I just put that down as a disappointment for the year. And I guess I had the another one right next to it David Ensign PB: I feel that that we have seen turnover and city of Boulder staff in the planning department as well. And that’s always really hard on staff and we’ve long enjoyed very capable production planning staff members so David Ensign PB: I just wanted to point out, I was a little disappointed. You know, I always get disappointed when we lose someone senior or man. I know that it has an impact on staffs work. So I thought that was something that my found it to be a disappointment. This year, David Ensign PB: And I suppose. The reason I bring that up to is the more empathy, we can have in city council managing the workload of staff and all that kind of stuff is is good. The David Ensign PB: Community engagement was a disappointment for I think both Sarah and the pita if if we take sub community planning as part of community engagement. So Sarah, do you wanna talk about that Sarah Silver PB: Sure I’ll first I’ll say, having just read Luke peaches concerns I share it share those concerns about gun barrel. And in fact, my one of my thoughts about what we would recommend to the city Sarah Silver PB: To city council would be in terms of continuing sub community planning process that there be one for gun barrel. And so I’m Pete and I are Sarah Silver PB: In agreement on that. So my concern is specific concern about the community engagement process, I realized that we’re in coven and there’s that we have to do this online but i i’m i think the online processes are really Sarah Silver PB: They are not the best Sarah Silver PB: Way for the kind of in depth Sarah Silver PB: Exploration and explanation that are needed for really meaningful public engagement and Sarah Silver PB: I mean I feel like I think of myself as someone who’s pretty plug to ninja what’s going on and stuff happens. And I hear about it. Three weeks later, so I’m sure that there are folks who are not who aren’t following it as closely and they don’t know stuff is happening at all Sarah Silver PB: And there’s some really big some really, really significant projects in that they’re going through public processes right now and I just don’t think they’re getting the kind of public engagement that Sarah Silver PB: That they that they require I realized that we have these processes and the staff has done a good job of finding alternatives online, but it’s just not. It’s not. It is obviously not the same. And I think it produces less pot less useful results David Ensign PB: Repeated, did you want to add and your, your thoughts about gun barrel and

Lupita D Montoya: Um, well, it really been an impression on me the sentiment of that community in the various times that we have had residents from gun barrel come to our meetings so it just Lupita D Montoya: Like I said it made an impression and that we must do something. It is important that we find ways to engage this community and and find ways to provide some of the amenities that they have already mentioned, they need and also in terms of better Lupita D Montoya: Alignment of this community with the needs of the city as well, and particularly the last project that involved some affordable housing and Lupita D Montoya: We’re Lupita D Montoya: Going to be such that different places. So I came out of that with we really need to work on aligning with our communities better. So we need to want give them Lupita D Montoya: Space for them to voice what they need and really follow up on them. It is again about equity we have communities that feel neglected and we need to be able to listen to them and find ways to, you know, Lupita D Montoya: For them to understand the decisions that we’re making as well as, as you know, understand more to what their needs are. So I thought that that particular community Lupita D Montoya: It was a very clear example how alignment is really, it’s really bad. So I think we really need to spend some Lupita D Montoya: Quality time looking looking at what we can do with our community. I would really love to be able to to bring the more and more alignment both of us. You know, we need to we need to move both of us into a better place David Ensign PB: Great David Ensign PB: excellent summary. Thank you. Um, so David Ensign PB: Then we’re on the last row of this this section, we did have a lot under things disappointed. So I think it was a tough year I didn’t mention the that we’ve had a reluctance to review occupancy limits, even though we’ve had citizens out David Ensign PB: Have not been not able to meet petition deadlines that they thought they were meeting and you know there’s been a lot of public input on this and it seems to me that David Ensign PB: We could have looked at the City Council could have been more proactive on looking at our occupancy limits to try to see how they can David Ensign PB: better accommodate what the people of Boulder thinking. The next section. I put a whole bunch of them under affordable housing challenges and outcomes. We have a lot of verbiage here David Ensign PB: You know, I certainly talked about, you know, even though we’ve seen some some great proposals, we get challenged, especially on affordable commercial state base affordable middle David Ensign PB: Giant john and Lisa and Peter. You want to also speak to these any order you want John Gerstle PB: All right, I can start John Gerstle PB: My concern is just that we’re focused on providing as much low income housing as possible. Well, that’s my, I think that’s good. But we don’t want to John Gerstle PB: But we also want to think of the middle income types who can’t afford market rate housing, but we want them to have some housing options in Boulder also John Gerstle PB: And so my comment was just to suggest that there should be some effort put into providing that that housing for that sort of demand as well Lisa Smith PB: And, um, I think I said is similar, though. I mean, I’m not gonna say that a policy purchase might be exactly the same Lisa Smith PB: But just recognition that our current approach to housing and boulder isn’t working Lisa Smith PB: I have so so many friends my age who have moved out. They have left. They’ve gone to online. They’ve gone to Lafayette. They’ve gone to golden Lisa Smith PB: You know, in these places are also not inexpensive begun to Erie Lisa Smith PB: And they’re not even really trying to come back and I just worry about kind of that loss Lisa Smith PB: A lot of people and the way that it Lisa Smith PB: Kind of shrinks the diversity in the kinds of people that we have in the community, not just in terms of Lisa Smith PB: Race, but also I thought James Burton had a good point about, you know, having artists living in your community. When I was working for the city. We had increasing numbers of city employees who did not live in the city. The people who applied our streets Lisa Smith PB: Had to like sleep on someone’s couch. The night before a shift because they couldn’t live in the city and they wouldn’t be able to get into the city to plow the streets Lisa Smith PB: Anyway, I feel very strongly about this. So, um, yeah. So this is something that I put a Babylon and my take on it, which we may or may not want to put specific policy stuff in

Lisa Smith PB: But is that, again, we’re not doing enough for the missing middle. We’re not preserving enough of the smaller homes. We’re not providing ways to have things like Lisa Smith PB: Nice townhomes or duplexes or para tones or whatever you want to call them. And instead, we’re just getting a lot of kind of luxury on either end, and then attach smaller homes that really don’t meet people’s needs as they get older. Um, so yeah David Ensign PB: Great, thank you David Ensign PB: And David Ensign PB: SARAH, YOU’RE for some reason your bubbles were in the background behind that box so I Sarah Silver PB: figured that was meant to be one bubble not to. But I thought my first bubble disappeared David Ensign PB: Yeah, I’m. There’s my tried to make all these bubbles be in the foreground and everything else be in the background. So if you see your bubble disappear when you move it into a box, it means it’s magic has to happen to say David Ensign PB: It’s fine. Are we having fun at least I hope David Ensign PB: The piano, did you want to talk about your box in this area Lupita D Montoya: Yeah, I like to ask is, I think that my, my take was a little bit different. And I mean, because I already mentioned about affordable housing being important and Lupita D Montoya: I think it’s in properly. And then third part where I talked about also the missing pieces particular I’m looking about like like family housing. So, you know, because a lot of the things that we see, I think is more targeting single or you know college students Lupita D Montoya: Or the you know the the rich people who can afford. You know, the big houses that are there, make Lupita D Montoya: My concern is also in the stated Lupita D Montoya: Values for the city where everybody talks about affordable housing is if something that everybody agrees on when in reality, every time that there’s a project about affordable housing Lupita D Montoya: There’s a line to speak against against that but just for these particular project. I’m in favor of over housing, it’s just not here Lupita D Montoya: And every single project is always the same. So to me it’s like, there must be some training for people to come and say these things. And again, I’m Lupita D Montoya: Getting a little emotional about this part because you cannot say that uniform. You’re in favor affordable housing. If you have people without with that fail to come and speak about not at this particular place Lupita D Montoya: And Lupita D Montoya: In that we have a difficult time making difficult decisions and pushing forward for the various steps that we need. So I think that Lupita D Montoya: We’re going to have to come to terms with that community to say, well, maybe boulder is not in favor of affordable housing. We just want to say the words. So let’s just put it on the list of let’s just use the nice words but nobody believes it Lupita D Montoya: And I will feel more comfortable with that. So any of our residents to come to the planning board do they say I’m a favorable a favor. Oh, affordable housing except not near my house, then Lupita D Montoya: You’ll know what I’m thinking when you speaking Lupita D Montoya: We can do this anymore. You can say that you can say that, so you are not in favor of all housing affordable housing. If you don’t want a near your house, either because it’s always near somebody’s house so I that’s the only thing you know, just kind of, let’s just Lupita D Montoya: Look at what we promise we made or the lack of progress we have made and then present that as the evidence. No, this is not a city this and you know that we’re we’re doing our job just yet Lupita D Montoya: So, this is this. This is the sad part David Ensign PB: Thank you, Peter. So that, um, that actually then go covers all the things that we said, For question number two David Ensign PB: Um, so I was thinking we could go through. Question number three. There’s other aren’t quite as few inputs here so it shouldn’t take quite as long. And then what I thought we would do is take a break and make sure we’ve all David Ensign PB: put dots next to things. And the whole idea will be to see the the dots kind of give us clues as to what’s important to people David Ensign PB: And then we’ll make our paths through doing like some creative groupings and discussions and trying to pull things out, we know we want to put in a letter. Does that make sense David Ensign PB: So let’s go ahead and start on this third one which what what should the priorities be David Ensign PB: I had a whole section here, I grew quite a few things together under equity housing and resilience. So

David Ensign PB: Let’s just go through them in order to Lisa, you said equity in housing Lisa Smith PB: I did yep kept it very brief David Ensign PB: Peter, you said is there social equity big boulder can fully address and show leadership Peter Vitale PB: Sure. This is, you know, I was on the housing advisory board meeting this week. And it was a similar concept of Peter Vitale PB: If we showed this type of leadership that we showed towards open space and acquisition of open space, where would we be around social equity Peter Vitale PB: And how do we frame this in a way that it doesn’t trigger the folks who have dedicated their lives to environmental causes and feel that it has to come, somehow the expensive of Peter Vitale PB: The natural environment, the natural world in order to Peter Vitale PB: Develop info properties to house human beings David Ensign PB: And harming you had to Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, my mind’s just dovetailing around a comment around the car dovetailing with the common around this tip Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And so, you know, I just want to see Harmon Zuckerman, PB: More than Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Studying in and more than policy and an actual requirement within this tip to direct the procurement and contracting towards where possible, the local businesses minority owned businesses women owned businesses Disadvantaged Business Enterprise Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, and that dovetails with the maintain maidens of our industrial zoning and I said, and encouraged the location in Boulder of businesses which make things and I think, you know, and I was just searching for words but Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know that would Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Really fall into the same category as encourage folder to make places for snowplow drivers, so that they don’t have to sleep on their buddy’s couch. The night before a big storm Harmon Zuckerman, PB: It’s about equity and resilience and creating a city that is Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, broad spectrum city Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We have $500 million that we spend every five years on this tip. So my notion is, people go where they get paid to go and they go where they can afford to be. And so if we direct money at Harmon Zuckerman, PB: The kinds of people that we want to see. Join us in this community Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Then we can have more diversity here David Ensign PB: And mine was kind of focused on trying to I’m trying to continue to look for what levers, we might have legally David Ensign PB: We, you know, we know that the state at the state level there’s legislation that says we can’t do rent control for example there’s things that were hands are tied. And I think our inclusion airy housing program has done a lot David Ensign PB: To try to to address those things. But are there any. Is there anything we’re missing anything that we could be doing David Ensign PB: That we were not doing baby grand sir or or things that can help some of these David Ensign PB: Some better outcomes with David Ensign PB: With affordability and I also mentioned occupancy limits which the board may not agree with me on so we can talk about that if we start to move that one in scope Lupita D Montoya: Oh, David, if I may ask, you know, I like to mention something and I don’t know if you’d really Lupita D Montoya: Be something that the planning board, specifically the city could do something. I think that one of the things that I’ve learned with regarding to, you know, housing and you know some of the things that I found particularly surprising to me is that that even when we have Lupita D Montoya: Services or resources, presumably to help some of the most you know needy members of our society, in particular with housing needs, um, I’d learned that there is such thing as you are so needy that you just don’t meet Lupita D Montoya: The minimum of what would a lot to help it sounds weird. Um, I just seen in the example very real one. When I found this. This doesn’t make any sense Lupita D Montoya: One of the housing. One of the families and in one of our mobile home communities had last winter a roof that was escaping into her in her house in multiple places Lupita D Montoya: And so she was searching for support. And this is when I was doing the conversations with the city through the Church of Sacred Heart of Jesus

Lupita D Montoya: And we had people who can come from housing to let them know about resources and there’s one resource fund for improvements to mobile homes Lupita D Montoya: But they had to go to an application process, which at the time it was only in English. So the way in the process of gain it translated so when that translation, wasn’t I kind of stepped in and help Lupita D Montoya: Translate for the county person who came to inspect the house. Well, the outcome of that was that the house was literally come down. This is one of the baba homes. This was the home for these family a father or mother in a child Lupita D Montoya: But the house was in such a bad shape that the county, who not help them so Lupita D Montoya: You was so bad that they have to pay themselves because the county couldn’t give him any money. How does that make any sense. So I’m thinking Lupita D Montoya: There’s something really out of whack. Here, whoever came out with this rules clearly does not have any equity in mind, or even, you know, any logic. So is there something that up a group like us can do Lupita D Montoya: To, you know, look at this Lupita D Montoya: I don’t know this this programs and see if they have any larger because we have to deal with coats and stuff. But there’s a point where things are not are not helping our community. And if people are doing things wrong Lupita D Montoya: Then we have a responsibility to do it right Lupita D Montoya: And just because it’s been lingering for a long time. Well, you know, I’m I’m of the mind that Lupita D Montoya: There are things that aren’t acceptable until somebody who recognizes acceptable say so. So Lupita D Montoya: letting our community live and dangerous conditions because we’re talking about this particular case, the House had a Kb Lupita D Montoya: Roof and on top of that, the inspector found that the walls were also falling out so that families still living in that house, but somehow they managed to find some money Lupita D Montoya: To fix enough so they can stay there because that was their home. It wasn’t just a place to spend the night is their home and so i don’t know i that that really left a big impression on me that there’s something that we gotta do better David Ensign PB: And so I like I want to make sure we remember this, because you had some great verbiage here on middle level in family housing, but I’m gonna say protect David Ensign PB: At risk families were already here David Ensign PB: Yeah, just that’ll just help us remind us what we just talked about David Ensign PB: And because we’re talking about people who David Ensign PB: This I’m having a delay when I take, it’s very annoying David Ensign PB: I think that’s a very important point that wasn’t captured by anything yet in words. So David Ensign PB: That’s that’s important. Great. Thank you, Peter. I’m so David Ensign PB: Then another category we had again was the use tables David Ensign PB: I think Harmon you you come in update to the stables Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, I just, I just think that’s important David Ensign PB: Yeah, and I went through a much longer narrative where I thought we could build on not only us table subcommittee, but also things we’ve learned from area planning David Ensign PB: Community Outreach around community benefits and there’s a lot of stuff out there that we need to act on. And I know it’s been difficult because of covert to get these things scheduled. But I thought maybe we could encourage bringing some of these initiatives David Ensign PB: Close next year because a lot of these creative ways to approach land use really affect a lot of our affordable housing goals they make our David Ensign PB: Neighborhoods more walkable they they really embody a lot of the things that we envisioned to make boulder a dynamic place. So, so I just put a lot in there. And so I called that section use table and code updates David Ensign PB: All right, and see you south, I wrote up a thing to continue to prioritize this I don’t know city council really needs to be reminded, but, um, but it just has a lot of mom and apple pie kinds of ideas around David Ensign PB: Continuing to move towards an annexation agreement, Sarah, you had some comments on that tomb Harmon Zuckerman, PB: David. Can I, can I just jump in here for a second. Yeah, yeah

Harmon Zuckerman, PB: three members of planning board have to recuse themselves around co south and you know we’ve been at this for an hour and a half. And I’m looking for ways to save time, but I’m also Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Just concerned that we not put anything around co south in the letter because I can’t represent anything around co South I’m accused. I work for the university, apparently Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, even if it’s just as an instructor. And so we’re speaking as a board when we talk in this letter all seven of us Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And so I think if we can just wipe everything out around co south, people won’t waste their votes on see yourself. You won’t waste their exes on to South and we won’t waste any more time on see yourself Lisa Smith PB: Oh, I have a question around that Harmon I’m because I’m in the same boat Lisa Smith PB: And in the in the same removed fashion that that I don’t think actually impacts my ability, but because I receive a paycheck. I have to recuse myself Lisa Smith PB: Um, is there a means for if if any members of planning board who do feel strongly about including stuff around CC yourself Lisa Smith PB: If they choose to. And I’m not suggesting that you guys do this so that you want to do this so that it’s a good use of your time. But if they wanted to get together Lisa Smith PB: And draft a little something about that and then send a letter to Council, could they do so so that if we remove see you south as being from the entire planning board Lisa Smith PB: If it is significantly important to certain Members, is there a way for them to do that. That kind of fits within the rules that would allow us to also kind of table it for this overall planning board letter Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So this is a this is a John Gerstle PB: There’s another alternative here too and that is to say, you know, for example, a minority of the planning board feels awesome Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So there’s another piece john oh Harmon Zuckerman, PB: There’s another piece which is that we have an obligation of impartiality as planning board members and the CEO of South matter is going to come back in front of this board. And so to pre sage your, you know, your, your position on see yourself Harmon Zuckerman, PB: In an official letter to city council before an application is actually in front of us Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Is is not. I think the right place to be. And I think that it could be interpreted as being a violation of our obligation of impartiality Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I think that, you know, see you South has a there’s there’s going to be a lot of discussion around, see you so the strongest way the planning board can speak to sue south is with its boats. When an application comes in front of us Sarah Silver PB: So harboring. Are you saying that we have to be in agreement on every single element of what goes into this letter, it has to be seven zero approval of every sentence Harmon Zuckerman, PB: No, but that’s typically the way that planning work. I mean, I’ve done this letter four times Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And we have never had a you know a split letter, really. I mean, there are a couple times where we’ve had Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, we may I don’t know. I could go back and read the letters and maybe you could find something where it says the you know like what john suggesting a minority of planning board feels a certain way David Ensign PB: Now. Yeah, I agree. I think that the letter. The purpose of the letter is to speak with one voice, generally, and David Ensign PB: There have been boards where members of the board have written separate letters as individuals to city council and i i don’t know hell if there’s a if this is a David Ensign PB: City policy around how those letters get written. I know on landmark sport. When I was liaison to landmarks board. One of the members wrote a separate letter David Ensign PB: But I think it’s just a letter as an individual, isn’t it. Hello Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: Yeah, if it’s, if it’s not from the whole board, it would be in a letter from the individual Sarah Silver PB: Right, I have to say Harmon, I, I hear what you’re saying and I have a problem with the fact that we are nixing to Sarah Silver PB: The possibility of mentioning see you South because three of our board members happen to have a conflict of interest. I don’t think we’re it let’s let’s let’s assume just for the sake of discussion that Sarah Silver PB: The four of us who don’t have a conflict of interest, think that it’s important to put see you south in here for whatever reason Sarah Silver PB: Yourself essentially telling us that we can’t do that because you have a conflict of interest and Lisa has a conflict of interest and the pizza has a conflict of interest. Well, that just that seems to me like I am Sarah Silver PB: Not the right reason to leave something out. And again, maybe we don’t put see you south in at all. Just because we think at the end of the day, the other. We’re going to prioritize other things. But I, I feel strongly that your, your conflict of interest should not be

David Ensign PB: silencing, can we might Peter Vitale PB: Cause the judiciary Peter Vitale PB: Can we not even supposed to be discussing it and talking about it at all and Sarah Silver PB: To share Peter Vitale PB: Oh, well, this is a specific matter Harmon Zuckerman, PB: It. Hold on Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Location this letter this yourself matter is going to be legislative when it comes forward for annexation. But I also think that the Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I also think that the the response to have the CEO South Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Issue brought up in the first two questions, which had to do with decisions changes to code Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And planning trends, it doesn’t fit. So, you know, to the extent that it fits. It’s only a interim decision, which isn’t a final decision of city council to study the hundred year option. But that’s not the actual final decision Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So, yeah Harmon Zuckerman, PB: It should live in the in the final question David Ensign PB: In my opinion, there’s another thing that we would hit on if we really started to talk through this and that is that David Ensign PB: I don’t think that we would be able to speak with one mind easily and we’d go down a rat hole on something that already we know is high on the list of priorities for city council. So I just don’t see the value of US spending all this time David Ensign PB: Just because there’s there’s definitely language, Sarah, and you’re right up that I would David Ensign PB: Never, never, never be able to go along with I was involved in writing the guiding principles. This has been going on for years we have followed David Ensign PB: Advice of staff for years that says that the only negotiating path we have with see you is to bundle this into annexation David Ensign PB: To ask staff to say, I wish I could not in good conscience says the planning board members send a message back to staff saying we think you should go back to square one will never get David Ensign PB: Any sort of consensus around that so that that already without the recusal business David Ensign PB: To me says that we’re not going to, it’s, it’s kind of a dead end. And we’ll spend an awful lot of time talking about it and never, never come up with anything useful, other than perhaps just, oh, this should be a high priority next year, but they know that John Gerstle PB: I see a hella is ready to help us out here a little bit. Also, Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: Yeah, I was just going to chime in and because of the recusals Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: You know, part of the recusals is that you don’t participate in the discussion so that that makes it kind of difficult for the three more for members to even discuss this right now Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: So I think you should either decide to Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: Make your comments in Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: In the hearings that address the matter and and not in the latter or address it to separately without those board members here Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: And that could be kind of an addendum to the letter that comes only from part of the board because of the recusals Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: That makes sense and it John Gerstle PB: Hello, I just a question I I think that may be a good suggestion. But frankly, the, the board. The for the for folks who remained involved in see South issues are the board, are they not in that matter Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: Yeah, they are. So, so what what I was suggesting, with the event would be Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: About the others are not supposed to discuss it. Right. So if you’re discussing what it’s going to say, then those other board members probably shouldn’t be part of it Lisa Smith PB: Yeah, thank you for bringing that up. Hell, I was. I mean, we haven’t gotten into anything really particular but I would feel like I needed to step out if we started talking about specific language around, see yourself so Lisa Smith PB: I would move that at least while all seven of us are present that we not discuss the yourself further Lisa Smith PB: And then I’ll leave it to the other four members of the board who are free to speak about it to decide whether or not it’s something they do or do not want to engage on taking into account the different views. We’ve heard from other board members Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, I wouldn’t agree with that i i think that i find it to be a very cumbersome and strange notion Harmon Zuckerman, PB: That you can add an addendum to a letter and say that this part of a letter, it’s signed by seven planning board members is only signed on two by four of them. It’s like Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, some Supreme Court decision where you know there’s a minority opinion or something like that. That’s not the way that I see this letter going. I think this is a letter from planning board to city council Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And it’s, it’s what we can you know what we can convey to Council as what are our priorities and a board that’s heavily split and undermanned and in this case around, see you South cannot convey its priorities to city council, whether with an addendum or in the body of the letter

David Ensign PB: So I think we’ve succeeded in spiraling down one of these items. I thought we were going to go through and present them all and then go back and see what the votes David Ensign PB: Maybe the votes, maybe see yourself won’t get any votes. And we won’t even have to talk about this anymore. And if we do see the bunch of dots appear on see yourself, then we’ll we can revisit this, is that okay David Ensign PB: Because I, you know. Personally, I’m not going to put it out anywhere near see yourself when I vote David Ensign PB: But Lupita D Montoya: David, if I may just say something, because I think everybody made, you know, made a statement regarding those of us who recuse themselves Lupita D Montoya: I’m with Lisa, I will be fine with the group that are in liberty to speak about that topic decide how they want to go forward. I don’t think they should be punished for the fact that several of us have relationships of some sort Lupita D Montoya: With the institution in so i think is, is fair that their, their dogs who are free to speak their mind, whatever that is, I don’t know, because I haven’t been in discussions that they can do it Lupita D Montoya: And I don’t have a problem with that at all. And I will be happy to just kind of Lupita D Montoya: Move to the side. When that time comes, and I actually wouldn’t have a problem with them having an as an addendum if that is necessary or just go make Lupita D Montoya: It wouldn’t have to be. It is not their fault that that three or four of us who have relationship with your with with see you, it’s not their fault Lupita D Montoya: So you can’t put it on this people. Um, so I think Ella can guide them. And the best way to go forward, but I don’t think their opinions based on what they have discussed so far and it is a big enough project. In fact, I think is the biggest one Lupita D Montoya: That will be dealing with and therefore she will future that is is reasonable to expect that there, they can speak about it in whichever way they think is is is a meritorious so I will just kind of like to go on record on that, um, I just need to be make sure that I’m not there David Ensign PB: For whatever it is that the side, I have a completely different David Ensign PB: View on that people oftentimes look at the letter to counsel is a way to shoehorn in your own personal agenda David Ensign PB: And I don’t think that that is what we’re doing here. I think we’re creating a theme that the planning board would like to project as a team David Ensign PB: And I, and I think that if there are people who feel very strongly that some of the ideas that are put out here should not be put on because it might David Ensign PB: Project bias for something that we’re supposed to be talking about when it’s presented to us in a few weeks. I think it’s a really good reason not to put it in the letter David Ensign PB: And and i think that if we start to come up with really elaborate ways to voice opinions on something that will be able to voice the next time we deliberate and have a proposal in front of us, where we’re sending a kind of a David Ensign PB: An unpleasant signal. And I think that this is supposed to be a productive and a forward looking, exercise, not something where we we bicker and and set up our own little agendas. So I really don’t like the idea of having a denham’s or anything like that David Ensign PB: But that’s just my opinion Lisa Smith PB: I suggest that we go ahead and start voting through everything I have we David Ensign PB: Well, we tell David Ensign PB: You on the future. Can we just go on and then see how that this comes out with voting, and if we have to revisit that we get, we can, I think that we spent a lot of time on that David Ensign PB: Though I’m another one that came up for me and I see from Harmon was architectural expertise David Ensign PB: Wondering if we should ask the city council, whether or not we should David Ensign PB: Have architectural expertise on the planning board. Since we don’t have that at this point David Ensign PB: Harmon, did you want to say anything additional Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I’m with you, David. I think we ought to Lisa Smith PB: Work, weren’t we also at one point or wasn’t there discussion of requesting an expert team member or something to sit in, who would have that Sarah Silver PB: For now, what from design Lisa Smith PB: From the design from dad. I Think Lisa Smith PB: Anyway, I just wanted to mention that I don’t know that goes into the letter. But in the interim, if that’s something that we feel we’re missing that might be a way to cover that David Ensign PB: Yeah, I mean that was talked about last year john

John Gerstle PB: Yeah. And in fact, I was at the last dab meeting where they were writing their letter also to city council. And one of the things they asked John Gerstle PB: In their letter and Cindy. You were there too. So maybe you can say exactly what it was, but they want to be more involved in providing their expertise to to planning board. So it seems to me John Gerstle PB: quite appropriate for example for us to suggest something similar to them to get that expertise Lisa Smith PB: And I realized that’s not the same thing is also recommending architectural expertise on the board itself, but just at the moment, it might be a good thing David Ensign PB: Yeah. What do you think, I mean, that would be a city charter actually talks, it has to be changed for ex parte David Ensign PB: De parte members. Right David Ensign PB: Ex officio David Ensign PB: Or accept these Lisa Smith PB: Are yeah I’m using the wrong Latin term David Ensign PB: Ex officio David Ensign PB: So there can be of course some informal liaisons but if we really wanted to have have someone who’s been deliberate with us maybe as a non voting member, it would require a charter change, I believe Sarah Silver PB: We could doesn’t dab look at Deb looks at projects already Sarah Silver PB: And the city staff provides that expertise Sarah Silver PB: You know, I have a concern, not a, not a, you know, drive a stake through the heart concern, but almost any architect in town is going to have an awful lot of conflicts of interest. Since Sarah Silver PB: They bring projects to the board or their, their bosses bring projects to the board. And while I know they can recuse themselves. I have to think we have to think about the balance of Sarah Silver PB: That that’s a, that’s a thing to have to balance out Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, since for the last decade, we’ve had. I don’t know john you know before of the last decade, but ecology and Bowen and may we’ve always had until this year we’ve always had an architect on the planning board Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And and i think that you know I’m against the idea of this ex officio member. I think we talked about building a good team on the planning board and because we see Harmon Zuckerman, PB: design reviews here at planning board with site review and we’d see concept reviews Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Having somebody who has some architectural expertise, who can just throw that into the mix Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Along with the other talents that are brought like with john and his knowledge of water and flood issues are with with me and my planning background or with, you know, Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Sarah and her community activism, you know, these are these are things that we bring together to render thoughtful broad based decisions on planning board Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And so having a no one who’s a design professional has been difficult. This year, and that’s why I’m suggesting that we have an actual sitting member of planning board, who’s an architect and it’s it’s really unusual for us not to have one David Ensign PB: So I think we’ve made our case let’s move on and we’ll see where the, you know, how many dots, we get on that one David Ensign PB: There’s a Harman, you had a one on innovation Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, and this is tied back to the disappointment piece that that I agreed with Lisa about on the top line of the last question Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, we want to we, you know, talk about sort of real world examples we talked about in the large house large lot discussion out one of these large lots could turn it to, you know, a beautiful little Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Court of 12 attached houses, you know, two rows of six or something and create a little micro community. And not only is that impossible under the code Harmon Zuckerman, PB: That that became a source of great acrimony and that project ended up going nowhere. The large house large lots kind of has fizzled as far as I can tell. And so, you know, my, my notion is just that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We should prioritize the invitation of these innovative ideas that could create a delightful city that could create you know great leaps in the level of community that we have here in Boulder and provide thought leadership for cities around the country Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Whether it’s pilot programs or you know citywide code changes we’ve got to try some of this stuff, or it’s just a lot of talk David Ensign PB: Great. And maybe that can be lumped into use table and code updates as to kind of be an expansion on that to include innovation as well as we both Marion reorganize it kind of rings. It kind of seems like it overlaps a little with that one

John Gerstle PB: Um, can I offer something I didn’t write anything in the section. But I think the idea of, you know, being more open to pilot projects, I think, is a reasonable one obviously you want to think carefully about them and see what John Gerstle PB: The consequences will be from all directions, but I think Harmon so ideas. Good, yeah David Ensign PB: Absolutely. All right, great. Um, so just then we’re on the very last one I’m sorry this is taking so long, harmony and I thought it would take an hour to get through the first pass of the questions and it’s David Ensign PB: Taking closer to two, I think David Ensign PB: Well, an hour, hour and 45 but there’s a bunch of stuff here on community engagement and everything from I’m gonna go ahead and just talk to this. In general, we have sub community planning David Ensign PB: We have a number of playing board members that have recommended our long time recommendation that we talked about notifying non property owners that are residence, they’re living near David Ensign PB: Near projects David Ensign PB: So that could go into a section on community engagement David Ensign PB: Yeah, and loopy to had a comment on young people. So there’s a lot of lot of stuff in here and there’s a lot of boxes so David Ensign PB: Does anybody want to say more about that or should we, I’m thinking harming what we could do is David Ensign PB: Take another like five to 10 minute break. Anybody who hasn’t voted yet can go and put their dots on things and then we can start to take more of a 10,000 foot David Ensign PB: Look, and look, Peter, we can start to move things in into various categories and stuff like that. Then Pathak at a higher level. Now that we’ve kind of seen what everybody everybody had has their cards out on the table Sarah Silver PB: Can I just say something, David. I’m sorry my yellow box which you skipped right over was the first one is actually about sub community planning and I. To me that is actually a Sarah Silver PB: We made that point last year in our, in our report to our letter to counsel and I think it for me at least personally Sarah Silver PB: That sub community planning continues to be a top priority in my humble opinion continues to be a top priority and specifically gun barrel, but I would like us to think about putting subcommittee planning as a as a top priority in a letter David Ensign PB: Yeah, I put some community planning in my box on community engagement and David Ensign PB: So we could split it into two categories or if everybody ends up putting dots on it. Is it okay if we just assume that we would talk about both sub community planning, planning, and can we community engagement other topics. If we selected this Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Well, David. I’m going to push back on that a little and agree, agree more with Sarah in this this place, because I think that I I’m less Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Inclined to support sub community planning Nate city wide Harmon Zuckerman, PB: But I’m very supportive of sub community planning for gun barrel and I think there’s precedent for that in that when we went through the midterm update Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Now with a Harmon Zuckerman, PB: One of the planning boards major recommendations Harmon Zuckerman, PB: To city council Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Already we felt that sub community planning for gun barrel was vital Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, so that’s where I stand David Ensign PB: So let’s split that into two David Ensign PB: separate categories and then David Ensign PB: I’ll try to organize it properly Sarah Silver PB: Table, would it be helpful if when we come back from our break we each. I mean, I’ve been writing some notes, trying to place some of this stuff into themes and I assume, others have been doing the same thing Lupita D Montoya: You know, I wonder if if if it would have been helpful that different groups take Lupita D Montoya: You know, each one of the different questions that way, I feel, I feel terrible that you have to do all that the rearranging David Ensign PB: Um, David Ensign PB: Yeah, let’s see. Um, how would we do that. Um, I don’t know how to do breakout rooms and stuff like that in my ritual David Ensign PB: But we can work on our own separate parts of the of the workspace. If we wanted to break out Sarah Silver PB: Can we do. Can we even do that Sarah Silver PB: Hello to break into smaller groups when it’s a public meeting David Ensign PB: Oh yeah, that’s an issue Lupita D Montoya: Is it possible to work in the in the same picture but

Lupita D Montoya: Maybe three of us moving things around in the top quarter. I mean, third of the picture with the first question is that Lupita D Montoya: So that you know just we’re all on the same big picture, but just focusing on one section of it just to help. Is that possible, by the way, David you misspelled my last name Oh, Lupita D Montoya: I hadn’t noticed that I’m Lupita D Montoya: Just keep looking at me as I was that person David Ensign PB: Sorry. Um, I think I missed gender do maybe David Ensign PB: Yeah. Not only did I miss spell your name. Oh my gosh, that’s terrible Lupita D Montoya: The last eight Lupita D Montoya: But, um, John Gerstle PB: Any last minute minus minus snow misspelled at least on one of these things off David Ensign PB: Yeah, I changed it on to, but not on this one. Okay David Ensign PB: That was something David Ensign PB: I’m okay can we think about that, while we do our break does do people are people okay with doing the voting with our dots. So we can see where people are thinking, what are, what things are resonating with everyone right now John Gerstle PB: So is the idea to vote for a specific color John Gerstle PB: Or for the green title David Ensign PB: I was thinking the green title John Gerstle PB: Oh, alright David Ensign PB: But my CP. But if you I guess if you put it on a box, it means that you like that one. The best in that green title. I don’t think that’s a problem John Gerstle PB: Okay, it’ll show up either one. All right Sarah Silver PB: Now the David Ensign PB: One thing is if your dot disappears David Ensign PB: It’s because the box is David Ensign PB: You is in front of it in layering. So if you move your dot over it disappears under a box. What you want to do is right click on the box and say, Send to Back David Ensign PB: So I saw, I saw a couple people have their docs disappear. So I sent the boxes to the back, but I haven’t done it to every single box It doesn’t Sarah Silver PB: Doesn’t give you that option Lisa Smith PB: We may not have that permission. So Sarah Silver PB: I don’t Oh, David Ensign PB: Hearing. If you’re not in move mode and you click on the box and then there’s like three does it doesn’t it get a little white drag boxes around it David Ensign PB: Yeah, and then you left it then you right click or Shift click. I’m sorry. Shift click David Ensign PB: And it should say send to Sarah Silver PB: Like the fourth one. I just I just moved the box Alright David Ensign PB: Alright so I’m be back here. What at 1015 after everybody gets a chance to vote and take a break Out Okay John Gerstle PB: Don’t know how to pick on Lupita D Montoya: Is David gone David Ensign PB: I’m just busy voting here. We’re on break. So you want to Lupita D Montoya: Oh, then I tried to move my little gray balls and I you know I couldn’t do it. But I think if you see it hopefully David Ensign PB: I see your, your little cursor there so I’m make sure that you’re not in move mode, go over that hand just to the right, that gray hand and if it says if it says move mode, it means you’re not in move mountains and so that’s good Lupita D Montoya: So I’m not in mud mode anymore. I David Ensign PB: Click on that, click on that circle David Ensign PB: And there you go. Now just drag it to wherever you want it

Okay Lupita D Montoya: So, you know, when I say the Ponderosa want to me that goes with with the equity. So David Ensign PB: Great. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. When we start to move things around the Peter. Let’s just see if there’s opportunities to mention some of these things in, like, like in equity, for example, yeah. It doesn’t mean if it doesn’t get dots that we’re not. We’re just gonna David Ensign PB: Give up on it David Ensign PB: This is the fun part, in my opinion, is moving the dots Lupita D Montoya: You can do it Lupita D Montoya: Was not doing so good. Another little bit, just a little bit Let me go David Ensign PB: Oh, David Ensign PB: I’m the people hear me for anyone who’s still voting. I think I have something wrong on David Ensign PB: I split subcommittee planing community engagement, but I think I have the green things reversed David Ensign PB: Yeah, cuz the ones on the right, talk about sub community planning David Ensign PB: I’ll make sure Sarah knows that Sarah Silver PB: David, I was just voting on the bottom. The ones in the bottom third right David Ensign PB: Um, Lupita D Montoya: And then all of them David Ensign PB: I was going and voting on all three questions David Ensign PB: And I’m Sarah I’m the community engagement one. Um, I don’t know if that yellow one. You want it to be bicep community planning that dot i switch those because Sarah Silver PB: Now it’s not moving. Yes. I wanted it. I hold on. Oh, there we go David Ensign PB: So it turned it into an oval Sarah Silver PB: turned it into an oval. I’m sorry about that David Ensign PB: So I’m going to send that to the back. Yeah Whoa, that wasn’t supposed to happen

Sarah Silver PB: Oops. Why is this not going. Come on Sarah Silver PB: There we go Sarah Silver PB: Up on my boat David Ensign PB: Oh, I found my missing box Lupita D Montoya: It was behind somebody David Ensign PB: No, it’s way off to the right. In the second question, the area that we’re going to drag stuff over to somebody dragged it over there and I ended up having I recreating it, I think. So let’s see Lupita D Montoya: You know I’m I’m I’m putting my little bubble in the planning staff morale support. Um, this is some of the things that were didn’t go so well in. I remember when we were having that discussion about. I was thinking, but, you know, one of the nice things that could happen out of this Lupita D Montoya: unfortunate situation is that we can do what button is doing is actually bringing some diversity into his sermon illustration Lupita D Montoya: So hopefully the reconstruction of the city staff will include some real diversity is kind of tiring to look at the zoom windows with just one kind of people. So hopefully this is a chance to start real Lupita D Montoya: Changes Lupita D Montoya: That will be the one Lupita D Montoya: Good thing about it because the rest of is pretty pretty bad Cindy Spence: Even David Ensign PB: Know, yeah Cindy Spence: This is Cindy. Were you planning on making a bigger again just, um, we have some David Ensign PB: I am I’m I’m trying to David Ensign PB: We’re on break for another few minutes and I was just trying on my screen to look around and see what I need to organize, so I will make it bigger again. Yeah Cindy Spence: Okay, just checking David Ensign PB: Get started. Thank you John Gerstle PB: David, I think I’ve done all my voting, but I hope it shows up when you’re tabulation or whatever it is you’re going to be doing David Ensign PB: Okay, yeah, we’ll David Ensign PB: We’ll kind of take a look and see if it looks like everybody’s both to there David Ensign PB: Sorry about that. I have to move this around a little bit. There we go Lupita D Montoya: I must admit that you won’t even notice that moving things to in order for me to do it. I have to Lupita D Montoya: It should be independent of what you’re doing. I think David Ensign PB: Mostly if I start moving something around under you, though I could screw you up. Sorry Lupita D Montoya: Something that’s not what I wanted John Gerstle PB: Pretty thrilling to introduce new technology in the middle of a meeting like this David Ensign PB: Oh, you’re welcome. I thought we’d have fun with it. And I realized the voting would be the fun part. Now we’ll have to start to do more hard work again once David Ensign PB: We got one David Ensign PB: before we’re done Lupita D Montoya: You know, like I said, my, my initial comment was precisely because I remember when we went through this process. It took a while I was thinking I hope we can be a little better to be. And because it can get a little bit. I’m really David Ensign PB: Yeah. It’s harder than being in a room together. So thanks for being patient when it’s a little bit clumsy and I’m actually getting tired of hearing my own voice, to tell you the truth Lupita D Montoya: I don’t mind hearing you. I liked it Lupita D Montoya: I liked your background, Sarah Sarah Silver PB: Thank you. It’s Yosemite Lupita D Montoya: Haha, I couldn’t feel the buck. But it’s nice. Yeah Sarah Silver PB: very calming Lupita D Montoya: I think I need, I need the CERT eight in the heart is I have, I have my teenager at home. So I have to deliver. So that’s why I was these up in little bits at a time Lupita D Montoya: Again, I had to do the same thing this morning. I have a meeting at eight and eight in the morning and I have to feed him

Sarah Silver PB: Just keep shoveling food into him Lupita D Montoya: You know, this is the kind of thing you just have to work around because they have like in the morning has school. So we have a little routine getting him said absolutely can run down to these classes and Nice Lupita D Montoya: And then he knows on Thursdays, so we can have set up so that I can get started on things and then going to check on staff. So if I see him coming. I know I’m supposed to go and check on something Lupita D Montoya: In my, in my freshman kid is coming. Call me. It’s amazing Lupita D Montoya: What this semester has then he tells me he misses me you, Mrs me Lupita D Montoya: Which, you know, Lupita D Montoya: I never heard those words before Sarah Silver PB: See it will he be home now until like after after the New Year’s Lupita D Montoya: Yeah, he’s not coming out until, until December Sarah Silver PB: It’s not Lupita D Montoya: Because you have to learn team is doing this study part in Seattle, and I thought he was going to be so excited that whole time that you want. I want to stay extra but he doesn’t Lupita D Montoya: He doesn’t usually thought about SWINGING BY la vista with grandma. He’s not doing that he wants to come home Lupita D Montoya: Oh, so I just try to keep them excited about coming home by telling him, You know, we have these running menu Lupita D Montoya: With his favorite dishes also using guided about coming. It’s just hard. He says it’s really, really hard and he’s really choir. Every time I talked to. How you doing, I SAID, I’M TIRED. TIRED. As always, Sarah Silver PB: Oh, that’s Lupita D Montoya: That’s there for Mr. And he knew it was going to be tough, he’s you know he’s a happy month so he was told you’re working your butt off. And so now he knows what that means David Ensign PB: I can’t even imagine what it’s like to be a kid during all this stuff David Ensign PB: So it’s so everything’s always so bright and Technicolor for kids so crazy. Well, thanks David Ensign PB: Thanks everybody for voting during break, Lisa. Did you vote on everything you wanted in the first group my see Lisa Smith PB: I believe so. I allocated my five green dots David Ensign PB: Because I only on the first one I only see Lisa Smith PB: 2am I allowed five per question David Ensign PB: Are you you get five total Lisa Smith PB: Oh I so yeah I’ve allocated my five total David Ensign PB: Okay, maybe you duplicated them or something. Okay John Gerstle PB: Well, you have five per question. I mean, maybe are not supposed to but Lupita D Montoya: I’ve used five per question Lisa Smith PB: I did five total. I don’t know why they’re Lisa Smith PB: Still not really down below, but David Ensign PB: Five three question, Lisa. So as we start talking through you can Lisa Smith PB: Okay, I can, I can add more David Ensign PB: Research Area. That’s like me more out on to this area. If you want to David Ensign PB: Make things. So I’m lupica and everybody. I think it’s going to be hard to break up into sections because I’m just what I’m displaying on the screen David Ensign PB: Is actually what the community has seen and we’re having an open meeting so David Ensign PB: You. What do you think about the idea of that. Now going back into the three questions and then just talking about patterns that we see David Ensign PB: Groupings me what might want to make and stuff that we might want to drag to the right for the editor to try to formulate into a letter David Ensign PB: So my idea would be that we just kind of try to group stuff, drag it to the right. If we think it looks like it should be in and then let editors, take a stab at this. For our next review. How does that sound for a process David Ensign PB: And the public can follow along if we do it that way, because we’ll all be together and Lisa can keep voting on David Ensign PB: The ones that she didn’t drag over David Ensign PB: There. Everybody see five squares on. Question number five votes on question number one. Are you happy with where your votes landed David Ensign PB: So does anybody want to make any observations on ones that we look like. We definitely will want to include in the letter and any kinds of I think the PTA you thought it would might be possible to mention Ponderosa IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING section if that if that got selected Lupita D Montoya: YEAH, YEAH. Jimmy was, you know, like I said, a very Lupita D Montoya: tangible example of you know what affordable housing can look like in the city. Yeah Lupita D Montoya: Especially because it’s you know it’s actually family housing, which we don’t have much of that

David Ensign PB: I think that that could be worked into a discussion on housing in terms of things that we think are positive David Ensign PB: Another one that’s definitely jumping out is equity. Right. Yeah Sarah Silver PB: I feel like equity is a is an umbrella or four theme that fits with what Sarah Silver PB: Should be at the core of each any other category of work or highlighted issue Sarah Silver PB: I don’t know. I don’t know what others think David Ensign PB: Last year we highlighted it as an equity lens right in our letter David Ensign PB: That that language. I think was quite effective. I’ve heard that come up quite a bit this year David Ensign PB: But we may want to make it stronger somehow Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Pretty good. David, you know, the when we talked about how equity was so important to view everything through an equity lens and last year is letter David Ensign PB: Mm hmm Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And we’re kind of headed in that direction here David Ensign PB: So let’s um drag over all of our equity related things into things that we might want. So what I’m doing is I’m, I’m going to just drag things to the right, pass that arrow when we think that there. We have some texts that we’re going to use David Ensign PB: And then, did I hear it, did we decide affordable housing was definitely getting a lot of votes. Right Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Right David Ensign PB: How about you, stable subcommittee. It’s just a reference to something that the planning boards kind of excited that they did and it seemed to get a lot of attention from people Sarah Silver PB: Like it fits under innovation, you made that point before David that being innovative and and and finishing our innovations. So, completing the sub the use table review process Sarah Silver PB: And finishing the use boulder sub community plan process Sarah Silver PB: Which was also an innovative, they are using innovative technology and all of that stuff David Ensign PB: I like you know there’s obviously a lot more wording here, then we would actually probably using the letter, but I think that it’s a nice one to talk about what made us happy David Ensign PB: Back to the original city council David Ensign PB: And what else is there. Do we want to mention there’s, there’s a lot of dots on East boulder Sarah Silver PB: Right. But, and we may all have put them Sarah Silver PB: There for the same reason or for different reasons David Ensign PB: I mean, we have, we were planning on trying to go with a couple, three themes. So maybe we have enough. But if people want to make a play for why we would want to maybe highlight an area plan that’s going on is something that we would talk about that makes us happy Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So I’m going to jump past that David, if you don’t mind for go back to what we have already on the right David Ensign PB: Uh huh. And Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, thinking about making Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Talking about things that are real and tangible Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, I heard Lou pizza the first time we started talking about she started talking about Ponderosa Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I think she was talking about it. My, my recollection is she was talking about it in terms of equity and then later in terms of affordable housing Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And so one thing that, that we might do if we want to keep this to two is we can talk about continuing to do our planning efforts Harmon Zuckerman, PB: In a way that we see everything through an equity lens and then names. Some of these some of these more tangible things like the Ponderosa project, like the successes. We’ve had this year with affordable housing Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And then the second theme becomes innovation Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And includes the Harmon Zuckerman, PB: The the Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Us table committee and its work. And so we were talking about the positive trends that we want to that we see this year that we want to build on are seeing things through an equity lens and taking an innovative approach to solving our planning issues David Ensign PB: Yeah David Ensign PB: Sorry, I shouldn’t have gone there. Yeah. So we have if we kind of group

David Ensign PB: Like you said group, you know, equity 100 so affordable housing all kinda together is something that we can create a narrative about and then we have use able to sub can be. And I’ll just add innovation and as another green box David Ensign PB: Then we have two areas with a lot of ideas in them that we can draw from Harmon Zuckerman, PB: How do people feel about that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I like it Harmon Zuckerman, PB: The bullets Lupita D Montoya: I like it. In fact, I was in my views are Lupita D Montoya: In fact, I was going to say because it also I think it connects with what we said last year, we wanted to do Lupita D Montoya: And at least for the equity lens. I think this shows continuity. We spoke about how important it was to us next last year and now we’re progress to have real examples of how that is coming to be No John Gerstle PB: I’m okay with that David Ensign PB: Well, I’m David Ensign PB: An idea that I thought and and i think i could just bounce it off the group. If we ended up with maybe one or two people who wanted to be the editor, would we be comfortable handing this off to the editor and having them take a shot at that section of the letter than David Ensign PB: And maybe, maybe we’re done for their this section for today Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And just David to add a little and make it more clear. I think for folks Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We have two more planning board meetings before we have to finalize the letter. So, the job of the editors Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Would be to draft language that tries, as well as it can to capture the thoughts that we’ve had based on this exercise Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And then in matters in the next meeting or two meetings. We would put that the editors work up on the screen and and this time it would just be in text with no no balls and boxes and we would wordsmith it as a group Sarah Silver PB: I’m happy to serve as one of the editors Okay Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Well, I think we should open it up to the whole board but um but thank you for the offer and Harmon Zuckerman, PB: David you. Does everybody agree that we have enough on the first question to move to the second Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Or does anybody want to make a plea for another green box or another specific positive trend or decision David Ensign PB: Thanks for helping summarize things five minutes Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Sorry to jump in, David David Ensign PB: Oh, that’s good. I’m just say, you know, this is a tiring task tell Joe Lupita D Montoya: I think it’s working well I think David has enough on his hands already. Thank you David Ensign PB: Yeah, thank you for. Yeah, please do. Please do help us talk through this. Okay. Well, great. Let’s, um, oh, I need some I just saw a typo Lupita D Montoya: Don’t worry about typos at this point Lupita D Montoya: Yes, it will be okay and Lupita D Montoya: I don’t want a minor thing. So I think that Lupita D Montoya: Next question David Ensign PB: Let’s go to the next question. I think we’ve got consensus that we’re good to go forward there. All right. Anyone want to shout out an area that they see as being quite big here. I mean, obviously the first one. Looks pretty good, right Harmon Zuckerman, PB: The first one seems like the mirror image of Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Our desire for innovation, it’s, it’s about feeling that it’s a negative that we have fear around innovation Yeah David Ensign PB: And we’re also, we also get frustrated when outcomes. Don’t David Ensign PB: Don’t live up to our aspirations, right. So we’re, we’re, it makes us sad when David Ensign PB: When we we’d like to go further and some of these things and and we don’t always get outcomes that we want. Mm hmm. There’s things that we can talk about there David Ensign PB: Alright John Gerstle PB: So, John Gerstle PB: I have a question for hello John Gerstle PB: And that is to follow up on harmonies comments about see you South John Gerstle PB: Harmon, you, you mentioned that any, anything we say could be regarded in the future as perhaps disqualifying ourselves from considering the annexation questions if we’ve if we have expressed an opinion about see you south at this point

Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So let me clarify that John Gerstle PB: I understand your comment. Correct Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Not exactly i i’m just, I think, given that it’s a legislative matter, you’re, you’re not going to disqualify yourself by voicing an opinion Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And you know you’re allowed ex parte contacts and so forth, because it’s not a closet judicial matters. You’re allowed to do your own research Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know you can. State your opinion. I just think that it’s questionable from the perspective of our code of conduct, because Harmon Zuckerman, PB: It makes an appearance of partiality prior to the actual application coming in front of us. So you don’t know what the Harmon Zuckerman, PB: University is going to propose and what the city is going to negotiate and what the eventual annexation agreement is going to look like Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And so to to already have opinions on a record is in some ways the definition of prejudice, because you’re prejudging you’re already making your opinions known before you have the decision materials in front of you. So I don’t like the way that makes planning board look Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I don’t think it’s, it’s, you know, I think that it’s a questionable. It’s an issue that is a questionable violation of the code of conduct. I think it’s an interpretation. I don’t think it’s Harmon Zuckerman, PB: A clear violation. I don’t think I would you know beat a drum about it. But, you know, we do a lot to maintain our appearance of propriety and and i think making prejudicial statements ahead of you know, seeing an application doesn’t help John Gerstle PB: Oh, thanks for John Gerstle PB: Thanks for clarifying that David Ensign PB: We didn’t get a lot of votes on any, any of the areas that I could see other than these three so I moved them over David Ensign PB: And maybe we can talk again about whether there’s themes are overlaps or or whoops living in themes or anything like that David Ensign PB: But, and then we can go back and see if there’s anything David Ensign PB: We think we missed it on. We have land use outcomes equity environment 15 minute neighborhoods. So that’s a lot. But I think it’s again David Ensign PB: We’re in that disappointment. We’re talking about things that disappoint us when without comes the second one. I’m thrilled to see that people like the planning staff morale thing David Ensign PB: I really think that city council to us to hear from us, that we we really support staff during difficult times, and David Ensign PB: I think that will be a wonderful addition to the letter. So thanks for voting for that David Ensign PB: And then affordable housing challenges and outcomes as a frustration. Again, I think that first and the third one here both frustrations with positive things we’re trying to have. And it just, it’s hard, right David Ensign PB: So those seem like pretty good things. Anyone want to talk to it David Ensign PB: And if we go back anything that we missed that should be lumped in there. I mean, I, I apologize. Sarah of my my feedback on CD sales sounded really heavy handed but um I just David Ensign PB: mean i i don’t i we can spend a lot of time talking about it, but I, I just feel like it’s not appropriate in for a number of reasons to include it in the letter. So I put an X there David Ensign PB: And I just, I feel like we could just spend a lot of time talking about it. But in the end, realized that, you know, there’s other ways that we can get that point across David Ensign PB: Are we ready. What do people think there’s a lot of silence or people happy with what we were kind of gravitating on here Lisa Smith PB: And I’m happy with what’s been dragged to the right Peter Vitale PB: Nice job, dragging things to the right David Ensign PB: All right, well then let’s move on Harmon Zuckerman, PB: David, I just want to say, I don’t Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Think in the last question that there’s any way of neatly merging two of those threes, so that we end up with a pair. But, um, I think it’s fine to just have three Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, it’s pretty usual you’ve got more things that you’re disappointed with and things you’re happy with. Right David Ensign PB: Yeah David Ensign PB: I mean, honestly, you could have like a you could put a whole outcomes umbrella around all of these things other than playing staff morale support

David Ensign PB: Potentially, and then just talk about them in in like a little set of bullets around the types of things that are outcomes that we wish we were moving further down the road on Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So the only thing I think you could you could merge IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING outcomes and challenges with the land use outcomes because it’s kind of the mirror. It’s the mirror image of what we had on the other side of the things we’re happy with, you know, Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We all work well, but, you know, we still see that there are a lot of obstacles in the way David Ensign PB: So I’ll put the green boxes kind of close to each other and then I’ll David Ensign PB: Just organize it. So the editor I mean, here we go David Ensign PB: Oh gosh, what happens Lupita D Montoya: So David, I’m Lupita D Montoya: The way that we will get this is that we didn’t have access to the entire thing or we just going to get the, the theme. So that would move to the side, you know, to the right side for people who are going to be working on the editing David Ensign PB: I’ll just leave it the way it is. And people can work directly off this Lupita D Montoya: Okay, so that we just have access to the website with with the mural. Yeah Lupita D Montoya: Okay, thank you David Ensign PB: Yeah, I think that’s probably the best way to do it. I’ll probably make a backup of it David Ensign PB: Just trying to figure out what I’m around here that got things a little screwed up, I think, oh, it’s this last box David Ensign PB: Excuse me while I fix something talk amongst yourself Lupita D Montoya: Oh, I remember that I love Lupita D Montoya: This David Ensign PB: Here’s the topic discuss Discuss David Ensign PB: Coffee talk Lupita D Montoya: Oh, David Ensign PB: Oh, that was Mike Myers, he was Lupita D Montoya: Right back in the day. Yeah David Ensign PB: Sorry, I Lupita D Montoya: Have to watch David Ensign PB: So, um, okay. So back to this i what i did then Harmon to address what you just said was, I moved made them into kind of an arc where they’re connected and then we’ll just move these guys off on their own over here David Ensign PB: Because there is separate subject. So we have kind of a large subject to the left in a smaller one to the right. Yeah Harmon Zuckerman, PB: That’s great, great Okay David Ensign PB: That took a while. Alright, well hopefully people use that time to think and contemplate so the last one David Ensign PB: I’ll clean this up a little more later Lupita D Montoya: Don’t worry about it right now. I feel I’m starting to feel bad because I just remember the Sarah isn’t the East Coast David Ensign PB: Huh oh my gosh it’s so late Lupita D Montoya: I just remember Lupita D Montoya: I hope she’s still awake. I don’t see here because just not in my window Lupita D Montoya: Open Lupita D Montoya: Still there well that Sarah Silver PB: I’m holding my eyes open with toothpicks. Yeah David Ensign PB: Like the West. Well, I think that equity and housing which leads Lisa Smith PB: Me through a Sarah Lisa Smith PB: Me somebody through us Sarah Silver PB: Sorry, I was trying to trick you all David Ensign PB: This section might actually require a little bit more discussion, I think that we know that we’ve heard a lot from David Ensign PB: You know, the public and to our own discussion that equity housing and resiliency are all very important. So, and that they have lots of dots. So I dragged that went over what else for things we want to emphasize David Ensign PB: For priorities in 2021. It looks like Sarah Silver PB: There was a lot for planning board architecture expertise and also for sub community planning Lisa Smith PB: And also, well I think it depends on how we calculate, so I guess that was one of my questions because like Lisa Smith PB: Innovation only has four dots, but it’s four different planning board members Lisa Smith PB: And then Lisa Smith PB: Planning Board and architectural expertise has six dots Lisa Smith PB: But I will those dots are only two people Lisa Smith PB: I guess I’m wondering, especially for saying that we’re writing a letter that’s for everybody Sarah Silver PB: Well, I think so. Innovation down here is a real is a mirror to the innovation that was under item number one. Question number one. And it’d be nice to have it be a

Lisa Smith PB: Through line Sarah Silver PB: Through line. Thank you so much. And I think sub community planning Sarah Silver PB: I can’t remember if it was an issue an item. And question number one. But certainly the idea of the value of the use table review for setting the stage for moving forward Sarah Silver PB: And then sub community planning is a is a tool for doing that well you know it. If you have to use table review you lay on top of that, the sub community planning is all long term stuff but Sarah Silver PB: They kind of fit in my humble opinion, they fit together. They’re layered David Ensign PB: So we could maybe make a David Ensign PB: subject that is about code updates that are innovative and David Ensign PB: And driven by sub community planning yeah outreach kind of thing Sarah Silver PB: Yeah David Ensign PB: I actually together Lisa Smith PB: Yeah, I don’t want to lose community engagement Lisa Smith PB: But I also recognize that doesn’t have that many votes Lisa Smith PB: But I think it’s important David Ensign PB: Well, I, in my opinion, if, if we want to really make our community engagement message, powerful, the one that really cost a lot, but it’s, I always call it the gold standard is David Ensign PB: working groups or community. It’s up to me and planning area planning kind of stuff where you actually get people in a room to really concentrate on it. Right. So to me, that’s such a strong part of community engagement that I would be happy with that being emphasized, right. I agree Lisa Smith PB: Works Sarah Silver PB: And I would actually Sarah Silver PB: I’m sorry, I would actually say that I think the innovation Sarah Silver PB: Innovation is the idea and then the Sarah Silver PB: Us table review Sarah Silver PB: Completion is the how you animate that idea. Yeah Example, David Ensign PB: Okay, I’m gonna go ahead and start moving all these three over as a kind of a connected group then David Ensign PB: That’s my vote, I lost that’s not David Ensign PB: Okay, and then they use tables. Yeah I need to move David Ensign PB: We chose pretty much the right level of expertly using this tool that I find trying to make a breakout room. I think you would have watched me curl up and Song David Ensign PB: Okay, let’s see, now can I mean this thing David Ensign PB: I can select it, but I can’t move it David Ensign PB: Is there anything. Are we going to move over board architectural expertise, based on the number of votes. It got, do you think, or is it Sarah Silver PB: Got three votes from the same person Sarah Silver PB: For the same David Ensign PB: Movie. That’s not nobody put an X on it, but Sarah Silver PB: I don’t I don’t I personally don’t think it’s my anyone’s place to the gate Sarah Silver PB: Discussion of something, but I wouldn’t accept anything Lupita D Montoya: That was my attitude Eddie use my access but if I’m going to use them. I can put them all in one place to Lupita D Montoya: I just don’t Lupita D Montoya: Like that kind of censoring yeah David Ensign PB: Real I don’t. Yeah, I just thought it would be useful to know if somebody had very strong opinions David Ensign PB: Something John Gerstle PB: Well, I have to say given given the last da be meeting that I mentioned before, I, I feel that that is a source of expertise that is available to us that we’re not using them that we should John Gerstle PB: diminish the need for an exquisite architect member of funny Cindy Spence: David Cindy Spence: Yeah. Can you make it slightly bigger Cindy Spence: Yes, thank you David Ensign PB: Say this last guy Lisa Smith PB: Did you stable unquote updates not end up going all the way over, or did it just get copied David Ensign PB: I’m not sure what happened. Let me see David Ensign PB: You guys, I felt like something got really screwed up

David Ensign PB: Sorry David Ensign PB: No, it didn’t come over did it David Ensign PB: That’s the problem. I will make it bigger in just a second community. I’m sorry David Ensign PB: Thank you, community members for David Ensign PB: bearing with us David Ensign PB: Alright, this is what I wanted to do David Ensign PB: So the these are the three that go together and then equity housing resilience use table and code updates and innovation go together, kind of, and then the sub community planning was kind of its own thing David Ensign PB: Is that right David Ensign PB: Or do I have that wrong Sarah Silver PB: No, I think us table and code updates and innovation kind of go together Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, I think that’s right. And then some community planning Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And that Sarah Silver PB: Is under that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And community engagement kind of gets lumped and then equity housing and resiliency and then that’s our three Sarah Silver PB: Right. And I would actually I don’t know how you feel about this Harmon, but I feel like equity housing and resilience are the first priority because it’s a big overarching theme Mm hmm Sarah Silver PB: Innovation would be the second big overarching theme, under which you stable would go and then sub community planning would be the it’s not really a theme. It’s an it’s an act, but Sarah Silver PB: It’s a tool. It’s a tool for actually maybe it goes under innovation as well, you know, as a subhead Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, I mean I Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I’m not a big fan necessarily of sub community planning for sub community planning sake. So I’ll just repeat what I said before, which is I’m not supportive of sub community planning as a main theme, but Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You know, if, if Harmon Zuckerman, PB: If we’re doing what we did above and we’re adding small concrete examples to go under our theme headings, then you know in the innovation encode update I would add the gun barrel sub community plan as a specific work item to do David Ensign PB: Yeah, so I kind of grouped. I think that’s what I was hearing was innovation David Ensign PB: Using you know through through code updates that have been well David Ensign PB: thought out and vetted with the public and and and then some competing planning is it is another way to inform how we innovate. So, those, those were the three right Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Right. So if it said something like what you just said Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Some planning as a way to inform the innovation Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, you know, with a particular specific emphasis on you know the gun barrel community Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah, I’d be fine with that. I’m just, I’m not big on making sub community planning writ large over the city ism planning board priority. It’s not one of mine Sarah Silver PB: I’m not Harmon at that it happens. I happen to think it’s a really important tool for the city so Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We’re just Sarah Silver PB: We’re just just disagree on it, but we can certainly frame it as a tool for both innovation and community engagement and then specifically mentioned the the Sarah Silver PB: gun barrel. Yeah Harmon Zuckerman, PB: That works. Yeah David Ensign PB: Absolutely. Okay, great. So I made it bigger. Again, so people can look at it. Um, do we want to. So are we happy with these as as a group of things to work on. There’s nothing else over on the left that we needed to pull in David Ensign PB: We’re going to remain silent on the architectural expertise at this point, except for people who are listening to this meeting. Hahaha David Ensign PB: Okay David Ensign PB: Great David Ensign PB: Alright, well maybe my Vito things were too harsh. I didn’t mean for them to be. I thought they would be fun ways to communicate that we didn’t like something but oh well Harmon Zuckerman, PB: No. David, I, I would have used them to if I thought if I thought they were necessary and you know the the point about having five Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Votes was that you could throw three votes on something if you thought it was important. And they also wanted to negate it, they could throw a couple x’s on your, your three votes so

Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I think at the end of the day, the game was set up right we just didn’t need to play it with all of its all the chips David Ensign PB: Cool. Well, um, so at this point. I think we’ve captured our priorities for the letter and David Ensign PB: Harmon. Um, do you want to then take over what what I’ll do is I will clean up this this thing again and he remains the link to it so everybody can go look at it also make a backup, just in case something goes wrong, and then Harmon. If you want to talk about how next steps and David Ensign PB: You know, and all that kind of stuff. That’d be great Harmon Zuckerman, PB: That’s great. So if you can pull your screen down, we’ll all be able to see each other. Great Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So first of all, I want to thank David for doing a lot of work, a lot of work, not just now, but he did a lot of work yesterday, and he did a lot of work today Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And that’s a lot of dedication to our cause. And I just really am grateful, David, and you did a wonderful job Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Second, I want to thank all the planning board for working this out. This is always, you know, a task where we you know we butt heads and Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And it’s not over. We still have to wordsmith it but but this was a good first effort at getting the framework done and our themes defined. So thank you everybody for all of that. Thanks for staff sticking with us. This was very probably painful to have to sit through so Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Thanks for taking your Thursday night and spending so much of it with us. And thanks for the community for being part of it too Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Let’s see who wants to work on the editing job Harmon Zuckerman, PB: To bring the next set of edits and you know this, I would go as far as to say this doesn’t even mean that you’re going to be the editor for the second draft Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So let’s, let’s just have a decision right now on who wants to be the editor for the first draft, and then we may nominate two new people at the next planning board meeting to Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Bring it to the second draft stage, but for now let’s pick two people. We don’t. We know Sarah has already offered. Is there anybody else who wants to be an editor Harmon Zuckerman, PB: David, would you like to work with Sarah in this Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay IS JOHN Is that okay with you John Gerstle PB: Yeah, that’s fine. I’ll I’m sure I’ll get a crack at it. Some students Peter Vitale PB: Okay, now I definitely volunteer for round two Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, well maybe we should just swing it over to to new folks around to Lisa Lisa Smith PB: Just I’m interested in round two Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay. So since we have more people interested in around two, then we’re probably going to be able to use I’ll open it up for a fight over around one one more time, in case you want to throw your hat in for this this round Peter Vitale PB: Question. Yeah Lupita D Montoya: So up where you’re asking is one person per question know Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Just to just, I just want to people who are going to take what we did tonight and make it into a letter, the first draft of the Lupita D Montoya: Oh, OK. So it’s going to be for the entirety. This way, one point I thought the initial conversation was about taking on a you know question basis, but it’s for the entire statement. Yeah, okay. So Sarah and David going to do the first round. So now you Lupita D Montoya: Think in A second round Second round Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So we’re not going to vote on second round yet. That’s why I’m saying if you want to be in on first round Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Make your make your case now David Ensign PB: Can it be my it can only be to that Right Harmon Zuckerman, PB: We could notice it, you all could have. You could have a public zoom sub community subcommittee meeting if if we need a third person, but it is a lot of extra work. I’d like to just save staff energy and just keep it to two David Ensign PB: Yeah, at least in Peter. But if either of you feel strongly David Ensign PB: Feel free to jump in on on round one Lisa Smith PB: I wouldn’t mind doing run one, but I think it makes a certain amount of sense for you to be one of the two people and Sarah volunteered first. So I’m I’m hesitant to stepping on that one Lisa Smith PB: Because I think you have a deeper understanding Sarah Silver PB: Happy to volunteer Lisa Smith PB: I’m really interested in the second round, honestly Sarah Silver PB: Then I will stick with Ron one David Ensign PB: Okay, we’re good David Ensign PB: One. All right Lisa Smith PB: Let’s just Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Is Everybody cool with Sarah and David. I’m not going to do an official vote. Can we just get some Thumbs up if that’s all right Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Everybody got Thumbs up for that Lou pizza era with that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay. All right, then. Sarah and David will will and you guys have to have the, you have to have the first draft of the letter ready by Wednesday for it to go into the next planning board packet or the next for for us for matters for the next planning board meeting

Cindy Spence: Well the next packet goes out Monday. So, but Cindy Spence: But Sarah Silver PB: We had stuff like Cindy Spence: Our next meeting is on the third. So you can have it to me Cindy Spence: By Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Two days before the Tuesday Cindy Spence: Before Monday or Tuesday the that for Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Your deadlines December 1 Happy Thanksgiving Cindy Spence: Yeah. All right Harmon Zuckerman, PB: There. Okay, great. So we’re done with that matters is finished Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Well done, everybody, let’s move on to our debrief of the meeting and calendar check Harmon Zuckerman, PB: So, yeah Lisa Smith PB: Calendar check. Um, so the pita. I’m thinking that you’ll be attending the next landmarks board meeting, which is December 2. Does that match your calendar Harmon Zuckerman, PB: You guys are welcome to Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Coordinate works for responsibilities offline Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I said, you guys are welcome to coordinate your landmarks board responsibilities offline Lisa Smith PB: Okay, we just had a little confusion in the past. So I wanted to. Okay. Take your opportunity to make sure we’re on the same page Okay Lisa Smith PB: Let me know if it doesn’t work, we can, if, if you need any changes or anything, let me know. I just wanted to Lupita D Montoya: Know that should be fine Great Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Any other calendar check items. Cindy, do you have anything for us Cindy Spence: No, we just have two meetings in December, the third and Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: 17 1717 Cindy Spence: Okay, yeah Harmon Zuckerman, PB: And so will we. Will we be able to finalize our letter on the 17th Cindy Spence: Yeah, because it’s do the 18th. Great David Ensign PB: Okay, so he Cindy Spence: Was final and then I can slap it on letterhead and get it to them. Great Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, I just want to make sure I made a true statement that we have two shots at this Cindy Spence: I double check when you said that Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Thank you. Alright, so no other everybody. No. No announcements that you’re not going to be able to make any meetings coming up Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Good. All right. Any debriefing or should we just go on to reports Harmon Zuckerman, PB: People are tired. Okay. So do we have any, do we have any reports from the city attorney’s office Hella Pannewig – Assistant City Attorney: Nothing for me Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Thank you. Hello. Anything from the city manager Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: From the senior managers office, Jacob. I don’t know if anything from the Office of the Director Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Jacob is the director Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Yeah Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: He said city manager’s office Harmon. Yeah I did Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Okay, so anything from planning board at matters any John Gerstle PB: John. Yeah, actually I just have a question for Charles and that is pertaining to the shooting range that he and I have had some email back and forth on. And I just wondered if in the future John Gerstle PB: The city intends to be more active in terms of checking with with impacts on neighbors, aside from provision of services and, in this respect, I’m thinking of noise and stuff like that for other projects that may be in the county, but have impacts on the city residents Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: Yeah, that’s a good question. JOHN I’m not exactly sure what standards we use to respond or referrals from the county. So if I could do a little bit of research, I can get back to the board on Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: What it is that we look at exactly when we respond to those were bound to look at, you know, surface area. I think that’s actually a requirement, but I’d like to challenge the comp plan or a little bit and I can get back to you John Gerstle PB: Okay, I do think in the future. They’ll be other issues that are similarly sensitive that we may want to be more active on. Thanks Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Well, thanks everybody Harmon Zuckerman, PB: That was Harmon Zuckerman, PB: Really a long meeting and Harmon Zuckerman, PB: I’m going to adjourn us so CF everybody Charles Ferro, City of Boulder: Have a great night Lupita D Montoya: Have a nice Thanksgiving