thanks so much everyone for joining us today we appreciate you participating with us in this webinar the title of the webinar is creating a better world the socio-economic impact of cooperatives and Mutual’s globally and we have two featured speakers today Michelle it’s Laura and anne-marie Marian so we want to thank them very much for joining us today so if you haven’t already done so press star 2 to mute your line although it’s sounding pretty clear so thanks for your cooperation I will prompt you throughout to unusual line so that you can contribute to the discussion our speakers are looking forward to some dialogue today so hopefully you Lola you will have your questions and your comments ready for Wednesday yeah initiate those periods of dialogue so this webinar is showcasing a new research report co-authored by Michelle Maclaren and marine Marian of the Institute of a search aid education for the cooperative and Anita – nervous state this Sherbrooke so Eirik you some of you notice us and the research explores the impact of the largest 300 cooperatives worldwide so this webinar will provide an overview of the key findings of this report and provide participants an opportunity to ask questions about the impacts of cooperatives if you’ve just joined us please press star 2 to mute your line it get a little bit of background noise thank you so to tell you a bit about the network the measuring the co-operative difference research network is a Penn Canadian multidisciplinary research network and we here at the Canadian Cooperative Association I serve as the hub for this network and I am the coordinator for that network of my name is Erin Hancock our network is funded by the social sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada also known as shirk for a five-year research project and we’ve been running since 2010 and will run into 2015 so we’re engaging a series of research projects that measure the social environmental and economic impact of cooperatives across so each year we hold six free webinars and so this is our sixth of the year and we think that we’re ending with the bang and and so throughout these webinars we explore various elements of the cooperative difference so these are public free webinars so we encourage you to send your colleagues to our website and stay tuned for our winter webinar so we’ll be having one in January February and March so again cooperative different co-op for more information about our network about our partners and some of the research that we’re doing in events that we host and also you’ll note on that network that we on website we do have videos from our most recent fall webinars and and this webinar will also be provided at the video shortly so it’s now my pleasure to introduce our two guest speakers so Michelle Eclair hold a doctorate in business administration and a master’s degree in cooperative management and development from the university of sherbrooke his research and his teaching deal with cooperative strategy in a sustainable development context he’s a professor in the department of management and human resources in the Faculty of administration and director of Eirik use and also director and research chair in management and governance of cooperatives and Mutual’s along with the research team at Eirik use he’s worked on several research projects with the co-operative mutualist movement focusing on the cooperative paradigm cooperative governance the practices of inter cooperation the creation of cooperative wealth strategy based a strategy based on cooperative identity and the concept of cooperative sustainable development and Endre marion holds an undergraduate in politics and international relations from the university university of sherbrooke and bishops university she also holds a master’s degree in management and governance of cooperatives and Mutual’s from mera Q’s she is particularly interested in the issue of housing and Inuit communities as well as cooperative education and affecting women and native people in the co-operative movement she’s currently a researcher and junior lecturer Adira cues and participates you know has recently participated in the writing of a book concerning cooperative education that will be published in French this year her most recent research concerns the socio-economic impact of cooperatives and their contribution to a better world which is what we’ll be exploring today so I’d like to now invite Michelle and Ann Marie to take it

away thank you very much it’s a delight and a great privilege for us to be with you today so we have the presentation and we would like as much participation as we can have with today so we have about like 25 30 minutes representation after like a couple of slides playing number eight we will have a question for you and at the end also what we would like to find out is if you recognize yourself in our results and if we don’t make sense because I’m alright in this or something don’t be afraid just tell us and we try to layer things up for you so one more time it’s a great privilege for you I don’t know everything if you can put PowerPoint up because we see our picture and we don’t like our picture very much that’s much better yeah so if you can go it on the next on the next line okay perfect so the study that we make we have some numbers there so it’s yes if the three and largest go process and mutual around the world the goal for we had two goals for that research the first one is to add some numbers on the impact of cooperative on the social and economic issue but at the same time we have a goal of explaining those result in terms with the coop and entity so those two main goals are the the the the main driver of that research and our result as the as well so we can go up to the next slide to add the control notes wherein you can go to the next the next slide so what is very important for us in terms of that thinking goal is we have to start with the co-op indentity that’s not main framework of their research we don’t have we don’t we didn’t want to have the the different numbers of the impact social cosmic impact and have another kind of a framework to analyze those data so with that we should go up and we’re saying that we have to go back where the coop were born so almost 300 years ago facing major issue of poverty exclusion and inequality men and women traded and proposed a new way to meet their needs and there’s a long con in the cooperative and the mutual so we have to start with the roots of the coop thinking thing at the same time that co-op really proposed a new way a new model of development there is and we have to start our research with with that set of value which or and they are very different from the main paradigm a new set of mind therefore a new paradigm to analyze the different impact of the co-operative so we can go on to the next slide when we research the the cooperating one of the first thing that came up to our research into online is that coop equal for us education therefore we would speak in terms of the schools that are we explained the three main result on social economic impact of the coop we have we could have put like their 15 or 20 different kinds of the coop people we are like as founded we are playing and another one from from Quebec is maybe saying that coops equal for us education and in is a very humanistic point of view of developing the coops so to end that first part of our of our more research thing what kind of businesses or to teach in our movement we would like to go to the next slide to explain we divided the results of our research at the center of that slide we have we explain we give some definition about what we are what we mean when we say schools so life experiences creative face for innovation ensuring that induce a democratic and empowerment education progress and we will present the different like result that we have in term of three different kind of schools for co-op the first one humanity schools of enterpreneurship school of solidarity and equity and school of democracy and empowerment and those are the root to explain why the co-op’s and Mitchell have the impact the social economic impact that we find out in our research so will and then hi everyone well Aaron you can go on with with the size we we

believe that it’s coops that cross our human is cool attention ership and does to do an impact about stability and regulation they aren’t called of solidarity and equity and that they have an impact of equitable access to goods and services and they are cool the democracy and empowerment and have an impact about diversity and inclusion we’ll start with the first and the first impact so we can go to the next line we said that because confidence have a humanist vision of entrepreneurship they have specific practices which translate into economic political and social stability and regulation which is our first Bionic of impact we saw we don’t know go back to the bridge yes thank you know six indicators help us understand how confidence has an impact about economic social and political activity and regulation first of all listed at the 300 largest confidence can 795 million members which are are at the same time the owners and the users of their cooperative enterprise which means that they will take decision make decision taking into account the double made shirts as owners and users and profit is also insurance almost four billion jobs in the world so but we’re talking about only the three hundred largest cooperatives and other survival rates of confidence different studies and got them to spend that well for example in Quebec and and fence and those studies prove that common individuals have a higher survival rate than corporations the seventy become an exposure and political instability is also ensured by a capsule agent capitalization practice which is particularly to coops the Charter Reserve and we we have an information of hate conscience than any seven billion dollars in excavated research for the three hundred largest Wahpeton this is an amount of money which set in say from equation and all Odyssey health Providence survive or get all with the better for the crisis if we listen the next slide well knock a bit about them for the response of Providence about the different crisis within that cooperatives and mutual divided energy crisis and they care of their members and community in those difficult time this is obviously this ominously contribute to satellite to their political and social stability for example and the Japanese confidence were the first three to fix him for the tsunami and last year it was not the state was not NGOs but really the Japanese confidence who went on the field first in order to help their members there was no question about that should we go there how we do that they were I mean babies they get organized but their purpose deserves to be there for their members so they were there was no question about how it’s gonna do we really want to go there or not so they really decided we have to be there for members and says Japanese confidence weren’t really the first to reach the victims another example of how cop in response to crisis is the latest financial crisis of 2008 their own study to prove that by turning point at caught generally surviving crisis better in their industries and corporations and a very example if you looted an exercise and a great example of the economy goes on but it goes ability and regulation in fact of quality and control and their impact on the market but once I D do have in some cases a significant market shares and does have an influence of the market and they also play the role as leaders in terms sectors if you example of that is the Dairy transformation business where we can show that that the last ranking so they make something made by every rebel bank so that for confidence are in the top ten of the largest dairy transformation businesses that they have market in the current market share and win on their own industry another example that is quite interesting because we do not know a lot about this cooperative most the time you don’t even know that the Associated

Press is a closet and according to them their news content is seen by half the world’s population on any given date which is important influence which is cannot be is not that much considered a weekend that’s it is its market share our percentage but which is because you can’t have a really important to it senator LS example of the impact on the market is secure no confidence in Quebec which are responsible of producing by half the casa funeral ceremonies so in terms of Christ regulations the really plays an important role and also for men participation general in order to make general ceremonies that is more accessible to everybody that’s from all these indicators and all these indicators of it was and I was to conclude that confident that Mitchell have an impact on the economic social and political stability and regulation and we all will also have to keep in mind that this insight is impossible because they have a tremendous the hardship and its cost and ownership they do have six practices inspired by those humanist values there the next part to it who shell and we maybe like to ask you a first question this is our process of Rizal and we would like to know a couple of you in coops and the academic world if you recognize yourself in those result like we tell we wondered with 300 and biggest go up around the world so we would like just to have at you feedback from you so far do you organize your coops maybe in some different examples but at the end you can ideas having those different that data that we just represented so I don’t know Aaron if you wanna take that the further question sure you can press star 2 to unmute your line and then go ahead and introduce yourself and and where you’re from before you present your comment I know we have some folks from actually across Canada from various coops and also some I think we have six different universities represented here so don’t be shy to yourself as an economic social and political stability and regulation in your region in your premises or throughout the country just an hour be from Cape Breton University did you want to share a question or ask for a clarification from the show you can go ahead and unmute thanks Aaron different reduce to me – yeah I guess actually did now I understand a question and I would definitely say that the cost that I affiliated with in the student housing sector in particular certainly are able to stabilize the finances of members particularly I would think of examples where even beyond just providing much much lower rent and food purchases and would otherwise be possible that there’s been many houses to develop things where the river beas and a member has been unable to make rent in a given month because of whatever situation it is whether that is because they’re dependent on government financial aid which I’m stable or because there’s no personal finance to go awry for that month and where we are humanistically able to say this is the number value marking funds a community to contribute in so many not in many ways that are difficult to monetize but which we still recognize valuing and and then those cases were able to either give them a loan or just like forgive their lives or ask them to work off the Reg in service the community litter the coop specifically but it’s kind of flexibility that I can’t imagine happening in many other corporations Thank You Jess – since we don’t have any more question we can go on with the second part of our presentation I will let me turn the show I will let people know that you can also raise your hand there’s an option to raise your hand on your GoToWebinar menu and that way we

can monitor if you have questions as well so you can call on you Michelle okay perfect thank you so the next slide and this is our second like set of up socio-economic impacts so the second one is the school of solidarity and equity who will explain those results so we have five different kinds of data that explain all of the social economic impact of coop is on promoting of equitable access to goods and services so the first one we can go to the next slide so the coop are in the business sector terator to fundamental needs so when we look at the different businesses they are involved with coops like slide shows the are in agriculture insurance food financial cost and utilities and the traction of operation are in different sector and not generally related to the fundamental needs of people so this is for us a very important result of our research if we go back to the slides before Aaron we can have a word on the the others when we say there is a unique adaptive and excited service offered we have some examples in our research like for example the electricity cooperative in the United States Viggo’s where the traditional corporation don’t go so they go very far in different region in the desert and all those places and they all like body 42% of the distribution of electricity throughout the country so they do that they’re still enough money to stay in business and make some some investment and going in region where the traditional businesses don’t go the other example we are many but we just want to show you two different example in France for example 75% of cooperative in France their ad offices in the regions and done only in the big city in capital but they are mapped throughout the country so this is for us a unique adapted and exited services offered my cooperative the third set of data that we found in our research is enter cooperation and like you know two kinds of inter cooperation between coops so we have the system used in friends that we chose some in our paper that we have some example and as well in the coop well in Canada but it’s the same thing in United States and other countries so we have organization like CCA with the international branch so Kody vdev and tbh in United State the Swedish cooperation they do international project though so there’s very some really important data and resolved throughout local national integration between us but as well North and South entire cooperation concert for the community this big difference with with the coop with the difference and money that they give to their members and give to their community if each year we have to say that we have a lot of trouble finding all of those data in the different annual report but we find out that maybe sixty six billion per year so the tree under the biggest co-op so it’s the average of 200 208 million per cooperative the biggest one that gives to their members and community each year and they still in business they still have good capitalization so they can have a good business and give back to their community the other one the revenue so I’m sure you have earned that before so if we put all of those three hundreds because coops together as a country it’s it’s the number nine country in the world related to those those those numbers so in this okay you can change like the Fourier Aaron and you have those those number on the next slide next one okay perfect so you have the number there those it’s all revenue we talked earlier about the reserve and the money that they give back to their community so it’s a lot of money and one more time the stealin business they are the capitalization and they are able to stay in business and give more to their community so this is for us really the school of solidarity antiquity that follows the coop to have that social economic impact on to mention of example access to goods and services and now we’ll go to the last step of the result

and and then he’s gonna introduce them so they’re who said it because confident our school of democracy and empowerment they have practices that continue to promote economic social and political diversity and inclusion the first we we considered that there’s four indicators that we use we figured out for this impact the first one we can shine if we go to the next slide we will see that if the three hundred largest cooperatives were forming a country’s would be actually the largest democracy in the world India come second with 700 for 714 billion people that hitting inside there rather than there and their right to vote but for confidence it is 725 moon people that are like we said that its income users and owners on the global 300 arches office and they can participate in the decision-making process coaches but we say that this largest democracy in the world is that only a representative democracy but it is also participative democracy saying that it’s only once every four or five years that people goes can go to vote but these buoys animal are events in and it will general meeting they can participate in foreign food companies they will be asked to participate in consultation protest the workshop this democracy is not only it’s not only and from resident but hopefully alive and part sorry also if we come back today today one hi few Amin about about citizenship education we said that democracy with a lot of participation confidence to participate a lot in citizen education did you have I mean everybody knows that it is one of their principal about information training and education and we’ve been able to to talk to see on the web side of them the animal reports that Providence do have to the kini initiative but on the other hand we also realize that comments are most of the time forgot from the national education curricula it is I mean in the national education curricula this tank or the ministry pool let’s talk about prophetess even though they do have a great impact about citizenship education Providence aren’t forgotten found that some generalizations they also have an impeccable in who promote diversity by by being an important promoters of cultural identity saying that they do contribute to building community building building identity we can only think about what would be the connect province without the jock but we’ll be the best country without thunder God that some people some of you might know what woody remote areas with that Erica agricultural prophetess so even in with communities in Canada without profited so they really are part of the communities are involved in it and they do participate in there and building cultural identity in their narrow countries and we also say that covers and visual arts debate in economic social and political diversity because the we are the internet diversity by promoting and being part of a thorough estate economy we always have the the traditional model of economy with the private sector in this public sector but top it is really proposed and a third way which is not the only way I mean that doesn’t mean it’s is the only way to do economies are to have an economy but saying that we should have a thermal economy with the private sector with the public sector and with also a social or a cooperative sector so in the defense the you in a broader incentive new parts of it is promoting the kind of make social and political diversity and inclusion so I think we can go to the next slide and the next one and I will let me check on who the bit are at presentation so like we said at the beginning which started with the coop framework like a major success that the courts are a

different way of looking at our development as our responses to our need and we have when we started our research with that and I believe that’s why we came out with different window street big result in our research so one more time maybe the phrase by a Georgia for getting because we want the the last slide would be on tomorrow what would from everybody was quite fitting today what are you you your point of view about the main challenges of co-op in the next year so we started with George 4k which says I can more 100 years ago because too often we have served to which extent a social movement see being of movement when it cuts the umbilical cord with it with it utopia dreams and even illusion so that co-op project those social economic impact that we are discussing to the king from that that view on the road of one particular kind of way of responding to our needs and we have all those picture that those people who set up were the first one to make direct strong contribution to to the coop and we actually like more than 300 years after that we have some results saying that the coops are a big key they have a strong impact on stability and regulation they have a strong impact on equitable access to goods and services and a big impact on diversity and inclusion all of that because they are a new monistic School of entrepreneurship a school of security and equity and the school of democracy and empowerment so that is very important to us not only to have the result the different numbers and different that is big and the different dynamic but also being able to explain that why they were able to do that in maybe are the kind of businesses the public sector or the corporate traditional businesses so for us after that research and we had some some meetings with people here in Quebec from the co-op movement and the next slide will show you the different like challenges they see for the next year with the coop with the coop movement first of all I think the main reason why co-op were invented still are out at present time they are very still a main issue yes we are do we have some like good result but still we have the situation of inequality of exclusion still in our society today here in Canada but as was in the country so the purpose and their heads on that of cooperative still is to put human meaning indeed fulfillment first and at the center of the project differential economic and social challenges with it and peaceful dynamic this is something that we didn’t talk much in our presentation in the in Quebec City but all those changes were made throughout like you are searching always looking up for a peace solution there’s no confrontation with the coop movement they are changing things but with the peaceful solution all the time if we compare the coop to other social movement so what are the big challenges for us first of all and many and talked about that earlier education in the automation like we said in the different curriculum in college in university coops are not present I challenge anyone you know we are in the business I could be here to find something out coops in any books about about finance about anything about like I said finance about management and other stuff there’s nothing but at the same time what are also the duties of the co-operative is mutual in our research we look at every website of the 300 biggest co-op and we find out that only 60% of our coops on the first web pages talk about co-op so there’s almost asked of the coops or 40% who on the first page you don’t know that they are a co-op so it’s not only the role of education and the government but I believe that the co-op movement still have a long way to go on that on that question in Quebec they were allowed to talk about Antioch efficacy on what didn’t mean imagine if all the courts were doing more stuff together imagine if we were because this is like one of the names are acquitted I mean the challenges of today can we think about international co-op there’s a lot of talk right now between different

coops from here in Canada which friends with other countries but we don’t have this only to example of international cost so do we have to develop that that new concept cops are local but can we think about a coop being in one in more than one country after at the same time doing that but always preserving respecting the diversity of the different courts throughout the world and the identity of each coop and finally this is a cry almost for help or Huntress trying to have something very very present and this is this is what we have to give the coop movement that was in the in Quebec City among a cool thing that you will have to end this to end it at some point a human in the School of entrepreneurship maybe just one wait Ponte on the university of collegiate but you have to turn out within yourselves out you promote out from your practices to develop a set of knowledge assess a set of practices that you can share among among each of it so this is our presentation so itself not bad battery 30 minutes so thank you for listening and right now we’re like one more time to receive some question and some at some point of view on that on that presentation thank you so much Michelle and Ann Marie we do have great people has a question so Greg if you want to press star two to unmute you can introduce yourself and go ahead hi it’s great Bridget human resource Skills Development Canada right i I just you talked about our assets and revenues of the top 300 do have a sense of what are the ninth-largest it would be equivalent to the ninth largest economy globally do you have a sense of what the revenue or assets would be for all cooperatives we trying to fight that number it’s a very good question so we took some of the data that we have from each country for Canada United States trans United and thing and we try to just on these small Ashanti from the small temple that we that we have but we don’t have like things like numbers we’re not a hundred percent sure but the numbers that we have accounts for about eighty percent of the total of cooperative revenue okay in proportion and then those profits there the cooperatives that are ranked in the global three hundred right now we represent about 80% of all profited about this sales revenue right and where’s the nanny game I’m sorry what did you see I’m with with the total revenue or the total assets both well then solar solar revenues of the three hundred on ships large and confidences all those two thousand billion dollars okay that’s very helpful which would represent 80% of the sole revenues of all all cooperatives in the world but it is that tricky to keep that to put on so that’s why we didn’t wanted to put that forward but another we’re sure about is the two thousand million dollars total revenue okay thank you very much because we have to keep in mind as well as the latest statistic on coopera say that there’s about 1 million cooperative in the world and I study it’s just that countless watch we under it up so yeah but those top 300 are accounting for the majority yeah okay maybe that’s helpful thank you thanks for the presentation – thank you Greg so we’ve got another question here we’ve got dr. Don Miskimmin did you want to introduce yourself and not for your question it starts here to unmute okay it’s on video yes go ahead okay yes Don this was the University of the Fraser Valley in British Columbia the last point the humanistic School of entrepreneurship do you see any similarities differences between humanistic entrepreneurship and the movement of social entrepreneurship or heart disease interchangeable terms no depart from our point of view they are part of the same big and big family of social economy we refer to a more developed by an woman’s Berg things that there’s a little bit of differences between what we say like

Aaron Quebec and I don’t know if it’s the same in your in your area in your provinces not for us the difference is the co-ops deal with very market issue market reality sometimes when we talk about other organizations who are part of the social economy sometimes they have a different a different link different dynamics throughout the the market some time in different languages they are financed by the government to give kind of services so they don’t have to meet the market in the same ways it all have the same kind of competition but from our point of view here at the in acutely part of the same family but with tiny little differences okay give me four absolutely way of describing that part of the same family with plenty different focus exactly so I guess if we dream and we see that humanity at school we can have like anyone coming from the co-op sector or the social economy other sector I think they will have much in common even if they had some differences okay thank you very much thank you thank you I know there were a couple of people today who could only join us on the phone not not on the internet so if if those folks have any comments you can feel free to unmute and play pressing star 2 and offer your questions but I will continue before then so there are a number of us here in the in the boardroom of the Canadian Cooperative Association here in Ottawa and we’ve got a few questions so we’ll offer one to start and so it’s interesting that you’ve explored the three hundred largest cooperatives because sometimes we get feedback from the sector that says larger co-ops really operate differently than smaller co-ops and they’re criticized for saying larger coops are losing type of their values in how they operate in and how they organize their democracy and their governance and so if you had done this study again but instead of looking at the three hundred largest coops you look at some of the smaller but longer-lasting costs but also long lasting collapses around the world do you think that you would have found similar results that was a big question for us at the beginning like we said there’s about a million collapses throughout the world and we only put it again and I think that we can move on but I basically was asking the difference if you think there’s any difference between how on smaller coops versus larger coops sort of employ their principles or the impact that they have both the social impact and the economic impact besides looking at size they still undertake things in a similar way what we what we think is that those those impact about stability regulation equitable access to goods and services and diversity inclusion we saying that the the impact would be similar but the scale was the difference right saying that I’m still 312 it is hard both of them in shoes and they do have an impact about market share that can be bigger larger than both quads but small cause can have a bigger impact or a more profound impact about let’s say social activity in small communities we can see that for example in that latin america where one once the coop is there is invested in the community it will change loose change people’s life even though it’s really small scale they do not have a big revenues but they will have a great great impact of the their community so we believe that those three dynamic of impacts would be or could be the same but with different scales with different different ways of doing it but we believe it can apply to small modern quaffed also to learn to less example like for example in our first survival rate of cooperative number dating came from their mobile 300 but came from different studies for the smaller co-ops so this is like a result that we had not coming one more time for the 300 biggest but that the small one this model one like we said earlier we only had like 8 co-ops in Canada in our research and other researchers because we had we took in account like the result of 30 different research results so one more time we we strongly believe that those social economic impact would be among the thing for a smaller co-op thank you very much if Fiona’s joined us

again I believe that like to main to main strategy that we can want is to focus on the different government I knew a king maybe for the Quebec there context that I knew that the coop Quebec moment try to go to the Ministry of Education we try to do some stuff there yeah the Sherbrooke University and other university without much good result so I think we still have to press on that on that strategy but at the same time I think the co-op movement is now strong enough to start its own its own school or its own university or something and after that go to defend the ministry and try to have because they don’t have to pay try they already pay taxes and everything for the traditional university nanoids and and colleges and so they we have to go I think in those two two main strategy but the result is this really new I don’t believe so but we don’t see any other way of going into different different school thank you Justin you have another question go ahead oh yeah just another vegan I’m calling from Cape Breton University where I’m doing the MDM unity active development and I’ll actually take back my question just to comment on the business school experience we did I looked for a very long hard time to try to find graduate level studies are going to be related irrelevant to the market businesses all across North America and it was very difficult mostly because to my discredit I do not speak French and so I could not join the program is Sherbrooke although definitely considered learning French to do that but at least an egg with no world there were schools that had not really gotten whose reputation in terms of not like cash aid but just specific meetings provides good quality education and education Delphis to Community Development and all let alone cost to have been defunded and there were patients suffered several and then I just kind of actually a little bit like some give damage we’re talking about a previous webinar all I found again that the sort of larger traditional corporate world is like really good at taking up opportunities that are presented from the social economy and in this respect I was accepted into helps International Business School and they have my chances Mobley when I was starting to work I looked for a very long hard time to try to find graduate level studies are going to be related irrelevant to these market businesses all across North America and it was very difficult mostly because to my discredit I do not speak French and so I could not join the program in Sherbrooke although definitely considered learning French to do that but at least an egg with no world there were schools that had not really gotten through certification in terms of not like cash aid but just specific meetings provides good follow the education and education Delphis to Community Development and all let alone cross through have been defunded and they’re appreciative suffered summers world and then I just kind of actually a little bit like some damage we’re talking about a previous webinar call I found again that the sort of larger traditional corporate world is like really good at picking up opportunities that are presented from the social

economy and in this respect I was accepted into helps International Business School and they have my dances lovely when I was starting for starting up a master’s in social entrepreneurship that actually was separate from every other business school and worked at especially the higher ranked ones where captains of industry usually am from they all had social her ship elected if not concentrations now so again that’s going to be hard the problems going forward I think the other answer to seven times at the compound salt is really fragmented in this identity so you could go to North Dakota State University and get an instability to large agricultural coops you could grow the Cape Breton and there was a decent amount of emphasis here on cooperative serving social needs of our low income folks a married but similar program seems to be geared towards existing managers and exhorting them to go it’s very ideological power Batman these are all really separate sorts of approaches and it would be hard to bring them all in one group so and the problem is a result of our university I would say and that’s not a terrible problem to have in some way yeah start talking to clog check I might add just one more challenge just as well because we saw that sometime in Quebec where there’s on program thing that they want to get something about coops or social entrepreneur and other stuff but they don’t really understand like the coop framework so sometimes we have people who are disgusting in discussing pardon discussing cause but they don’t wanna and they always end up saying that the coop should be more like traditional business so it one I to have our program but at the same time we really rely on people who know the differences that if we talk about the same way that we talk to with another businesses are talking economy is gonna be better in that area thank you very much Michelle he also had a comment from one of the participants that Concordia school of community and public affairs offers a Community Economic Development graduate diploma so they want to emphasize that there are maybe some some other programs in Canada that that are less known that we should that we should not certainly CCA’s in a process here of mapping the educational opportunities for cooperatives and co-operators across the country so so we’ll make sure to include to include that so that it will be easier for folks like Justin and to be able to look at what the options are for for studying cooperatives so I want to thank both of our presenters thank you for your willingness to bear with us as we work through technology certainly you offered a very stimulating presentation today and and I’ve already actually linked your full paper from our website so you everyone can feel it on their screen right now so at cooperative difference co-op we will again in a couple of weeks have the video up from this webinar if you want to review it again we might cut out we’ll keep all of the content though but we will have that up in the web site but everyone should take a look at that full report because I think you did a great job highlighting for us today but there’s so much more in there and I think people would benefit from learning from so I want to thank you very much for your invitation it was certainly a pleasure for us to to be with you this afternoon and we hope that our and this was not too painful for you thank you very much thank you so much everyone I later on today you’ll also find this powerpoints available on the website as well so thanks again to a Michelle and Ann Marie and continue with your work obviously we’ve identified a lots more that we’d like to see work done on so you’ve got your next 20 years plans thank you thank you take care