Sehaam thank you and delighted to be here so I’m going to just share a screen and I’m a mental health campaigner and I’m passionate about trying to inspire the creation of mentally healthier workplaces and societies so I’m going to talk you through my journey my mission and pose that question is this one of the great leadership of our time is mental health one of the great leadership opportunities of our time so first a statistic for you forty percent so Qualtrics surveyed about three thousand people globally at the start of the pandemic in March and April and forty percent of people said their company have not asked them how they are doing which I find shocking I hope that number has come down I’ve got a poll out on LinkedIn where we’ve had about a hundred people respond thirty four percent percent of people think that their workplaces leaders are not leading well on the mental health agenda so again what’s going on there and I had the pleasure of talking to John Flint the previous group CEO of HSBC recently and John said if you haven’t embraced the health and well-being agenda by now then you have to truly question as to whether you are a leader and John is a visionary leader and on this agenda bringing the mission of creating the healthiest human system in financial services to HSBC in his first few months of tenure as Group CEO so we’re not checking in with our employees as well as we could and we need to embrace this as leaders and I see this as a big opportunity but let’s start with a question and this is a question that we’re asked 10 20 times a day normally on a personal level and we very very rarely answer this question honestly and I’m going to ask that question to you and it’s how are you and and we often say I’m good I’m fine I’m okay I’m alright and we walk on it so it’s kind of a ritual we sort of ignore this and it’s a greeting so what I’m going to try and do is help you answer this question honestly and and authentically and I’ll do so by sharing how I am today and you can see behind me I’m a seven out of ten there it is on the screen so I manage my mental health my form with a score out of ten and this is a tool that has been given to me by a therapist many years ago and these are the questions that I ask so how motivated am I I feel pretty motivated right now what am i perceived energy levels they’re pretty good tasks and decisions feel pretty straightforward to me right now I’ve slept pretty well and my exercise has been okay I’d say it’s probably not frequent enough to give me that percentage point that would get me up to it to an eight out of ten my diet is in good balance I’m eating nutritious food I have this real strong sense of purpose that’s always high for me and I feel very connected to friends and family although I need to be better at putting my children to bed without a fight and so that’s been playing on my mind a little bit today after a pantomime as I would describe it last night and then how well my balancing stress with moments of recovery and how worried or relaxed about finances am i unfeeling you know okay about my finances but I know this is a big stressor for many so what I’d invite you to do is just think of those questions reflect on them and think about where you might be today and then we’ll have a look at the scale so that’s this that’s the scale that I use I may as I say 7 out of 10 which is which is good form and I’m just going to pull up the chat as well so I can see see what you guys are reflecting on so just think where you might exist on that scale and you no need to put too much effort into it just see what comes to you naturally just invite yourself to to notice and then let’s ask the question how are you today so what I’m going to do to answer this is just stop sharing this screen for a second and show a different one so bear with me as I navigate the technology should be getting quite good at this now I tend to do it a few times a week so there we go we can see another screen now hopefully which is the the poling screen so what I’d invite you to do is just scan that QR code which means open up your camera icon on your phone and hold it over that that

that QR code and you should see a scale come up and what that scale will do will give you the the opportunity to just select your school this is totally anonymous and what I’m going to do is well put a different link in the chat in case you’re struggling with that QR code there we go I can see one of the scores start to populate someone’s put an 18 which is great some six is some sevens that Lincoln I’ve just posted will enable you to to do it from a computer as well so we seek some nine some sixes some sevens we’re averaging you know that’s seven point two so so good form so what I find this is a really really simple way of answering that question how are you today and I’ve seen someone post a five out of ten there thank you for doing so and you know if we’ve experiencing low forum which is a five I think it’s okay to accept that and know that all form is temporary just notice what is driving that and what might you want to do to to try and drive it up a little bit it’s natural for us all to circle through our forms and cycle through them really quickly given everything that’s going on in the world right now so please please do just just reflect on that but again nothing to worry about it put the summary up there we can see most of us are falling into that seven category so we’re on we’re on good form which is which is which is great to know so what I’m going to do now is just navigate back to the screen bear with me to just change screens and it’s just taking me a little while to do that hold on respect to zoom that’s like sorry about this total tech failure bear with me it’s going to go back to back to the meeting it’s just not letting me reshare my presentation so I’m just just bear with me a second while I Rob just take your time yeah work that act normally there’s a little screen share icon at the top isn’t there that comes up but it’s you and I’m Matt coral I am on a Mac yeah so tab yeah bear with me sorry everyone so what I’m going to I know I think the problem is I’m just going to come out of my presentation for a second and then that will allow me to come back into so you know I’ve seen my form drop now so I was a seven I’m probably about a six right now so back to meeting where is my zoom gun okay yeah I’ve got to just quit that so bear with me I do apologize that’s the normally happens so go back to my presentation which I’ll need to Reese reshare again right and then I’m just going to go back into presentation mode all right we’re back on track so apologies everyone so thank you for sharing your scores and doing that it’s a great little tool that you can do within your within your teams I’ve seen it done in family units well we’re building them into a mobile app that allows people to to connect so my mission now for the rest of the presentation is to watch my score go up from a6 back to a7 or even maybe an 8 so it’s mental health one of the great opportunities but also challenges of our time I’m pretty sure it is it was before Co vid it definitely is now in my opinion but first of all a little bit about me and my story so I’m a father I’m a husband I’m a cyclist and I dunno what you’re thinking I I absolutely do shave my legs and one of the great things for our mental form gentleman is freshly shaved legs new bedsheets and if you haven’t tried it I certainly advise that you do and I know the ladies and maybe one or two of the gents will know what I’m talking about they’re so very good for my form there I’m a friend I’m a son and the keynote speaker I’m a team mate I am a social entrepreneur I am a DJ I am successful and like all of us there are many little eyes that make up the big eye there is no one thing that defines us and I will if we short for a question later explain the high heels and the the lycra in the main photograph there and I’m bipolar I experience bipolar disorder which is a mental illness and it is a mental illness that is characterized by extremes of mood from

at its worst deep depression where I cannot get out of bed I cannot do my job and I cannot look after my children through two periods of mania where I can take risks make bad financial decisions believe that I’m always right but hopefully you notice they use the words experience rather than suffer at times I do suffer and and I wish I was anywhere but experiencing that depression that keeps me in bed but I also experience so many beautiful traits of Drive of creativity of of an ability to challenge the status quo we don’t often talk about the strengths of our mental health differences and I think it’s important to bear that in mind but if I had a bit more time I could tell you some stories about what it’s like to live and work with this condition I could tell you on the night of my 30th birthday round a big circular table in a Moroccan restaurant when it was time to bring the cake out the lights dimmed the music stopped the drums started up and this cake was brought out through the restaurant in a procession of singing and dancing and sparklers with the staff and it was presented to the head of the table – quite a handsome chap actually but that wasn’t me that was my best friend smithy because on that night I was alone in somebody else’s flat because I couldn’t face being out I couldn’t face being out for my 30th birthday and I could look back through my twenties to the signs of either thinking I was completely anti-social and one handle the complete life and soul of the party center of attention taking my clothes off in public and everything in between and I was a high achiever I thought I was different and I was but I didn’t know I had a mental illness and seen after that night on my 30th birthday I couldn’t face the workplace and I took three weeks where I didn’t go into work and my boss a wonderful lady at the time had researched some numbers for some local therapists and suggested and invited me to go and call and see my doctor and I did that and I was diagnosed with depression which later became a bipolar diagnosis and I thought great I can be fixed I can be mended I can be made well and for a while I was and then the depression came back with a loss of hope and a sense of futility and look my story got a bit dark then when I was 31 on a very low point I tried to end my life and from that low point I learned to manage my condition I learned that exercise is crucially important hence the cycling and the the shave legs I like with the love of close connections around me I could I could thrive and cope through this I learned that sleep is really important I take medication I’ve seen various different sorts of therapists and I do so proudly but I did so under the radar for many years because of stigma because of the fear of how I’d be perceived by staff by clients my friends a stigma is defined as a mark of disgrace associated by a particular circumstance quality or person and are we really saying it’s disgraceful to talk about mental illness to have a mental illness that we must smash and my lightbulb moment came in 2017 when I heard a good friend of mine now guy called Jeff McDonald tell his story of anxiety and depression and the loss of his friend to suicide and I sat there in the audience feeling shame and I felt shame because there I am a successful business owner with supportive people around that I love and respect and every week when I’d go and see my therapist I put the word physio in my diary I physio for years my team must have thought I have the worst physiotherapist in the world that cannot fix this back injury and I decided then to kind of come out and share my story which I did in a pretty awkward Facebook post but the response to that that that post changed my life and it was people sure showing me love and concern but it was people sharing and confiding in me that they experienced something – loved ones partners business contacts friends people just saying I experience mental ill-health – because I gave them permission to do so so I thought I’m gonna do something about this and I was motivated to go on this journey to make change so I developed inside out which is a social enterprise and I did have a lot of listening at the time and spoke to a number of thought leaders and anyone they would talk to me really and I kept hearing the same message we do not have enough senior leaders from our workplace who are open about their challenges of mental ill-health so I found it inside out the social enterprise I persuaded some eminent

people to lend credibility our Lord Dennis Stevenson whose co-author of the Stevenson farmer review of mental health in the workplace commissioned by Therese May when she was Prime Minister sorry in Cheshire who is chair of heads together as well as Barclays UK and a number of other senior roles sue Baker who leads the charity time to change and a bunch of others they they they backed me as an advisory board a selection panel and I went on this mission of finding role models leaders from our workplaces who are open about the fact that they have a mental health chair we have a chief Learning Officer from Unilever we have the commissioner from the London Fire Brigade we have partners from law firms from accounting firms we have the chief of Risk Officer from Tesco all of these amazing trailblazing people 42 of them who put their name to a list that we published in The Sunday Times in 2019 and then a police to say from a standing start we grew that list to 69 people with lived experience of mental ill-health again MPs Charles Walker MP again CEOs managing directors lots of different diverse backgrounds and employers who saying it’s okay to talk about your mental health but why are senior leaders so important as role models because anyone who speaks out on the mental health agenda and shares their story is a role model but our senior leaders are so important because they can help facilitate culture change and and they can do so much more quickly so I’d like to share a case study and I’ve got a couple more we can talk about in the comments if we need to but the chap in the trainer’s is a guy called Mark twig and Mark shared his story of clinical depression through his workplace about three with three years ago immediately seven or eight people put their hands up and said I’m struggling too a number of those got adjustments to the role all of them got help and a number of them have stayed with the business where they might ordinarily have moved on but then the narrative moved away from mental illness to positive mental health and well-being and they introduced an initiative called take two which is two hours in the working week that anyone can do anything to prioritize their well-being or mental health wherever you are on that mental health continued not just if you’re ill anyone now the narrative is then moving to everybody in the workplace and guess what really well-received productivity went up but it gets better the other chap is a guy called Rob Agnew who used to work though he’s moved on recently but he heard about the reputation of the firm before joining on mental health and felt comfortable being open about the fact that he experiences bipolar disorder through the interview process that enabled him to be himself it enabled mark on hiring him to understand okay let’s work out how to manage rob effectively and even had a conversation with his therapist on joining the firm Rob didn’t have a single manic episode which is the big part of his challenge for two years in fact his entire tenure with the firm and he puts that down to the fact he can be open and the burden of pretending he some money isn’t it could be moved lifted but also he’s got Marta looking out for him and his triggers and Gail I agree it is revela its revelatory revolutionary and all of those things but even better than this is that Mark himself had less episodes of his depression because got Rob looking out for him so this isn’t a hierarchical thing this is a human thing this is people looking out for each other in the workplace and I’ve got many stories like this that are beautiful and so senior leaders sharing their stories facilitate cultures that change to this there’s another reason why it’s quite important that’s because our future King of England says this was the jika Cambridge on the Davos stage I’d love to see more CEOs and those in positions at least should come out and share their story but let’s talk for a second why we need to do this and talk some narratives this this was an image I took from Google Images a few years ago now but I googled mental health I did not the Google mental illness I did not Google grief or anguish I certainly did not Google black-and-white photo of lady with head in hands and this is the image we get when we think of mental health now if we google physical health we get aspirational images of people being healthy being fit being vibrant where are our aspirational images for mental health so we’ve got a brand issue for mental health and we need to change it we need to smash the stigma and we need to rebrand mental health which is why I’m talking about form form score the number out of 10 the vibrant colors you see here in my presentation a little bit more context for you I’m not going to labor on stats but

what if four of us will experience mental ill-health 15% are experiencing anxiety right now that number will be higher suicide we lose a life to suicide every 40 seconds and it is going to be one of the biggest costs to employers us u.s. dollars of 2.5 trillion next year UK costs are 45 billion to employers and these numbers are going up due to the coronavirus so yeah I love that challenge mark let’s rebrand mental health so where we’re as a result of coronavirus we’re more susceptible to a mental health challenge but look throw these stats away here’s the important one one in one of us have mental health it’s all of us and if we accept that we can accept we’re all on a continuum and a mental health oscillates up and down from struggling through to thriving and and we’re not fixed it’s not black or white we’re not well or ill one day we might be struggling one day we might be thriving I was a 6 out of 10 when I when I dropped because I can get my Tech to work I’m a 7 out of 10 because I’m engaging with you on the comments and I’m really enjoying what I’m what I’m speaking about mental health can move even within the hour some research has been done as to where we exist on this continuum the message here is 65% of us probably more now are in that middle zone and we might think we’re okay but actually by investing in a mental health and well-being we can become more productive and Deloitte did some analysis here of where people exist and the costs to UK employers as I mentioned it’s a 45 billion cost or opportunity if you want to see it that way which I choose to do the biggest cost is that of presenteeism so that is people in the workplace who are turning up every day but underperforming because of suboptimal mental health that number will be bigger now because we’re in a different workplace in a different way of working so we need to focus on the mentor of the well-being of our employees if we do so we can realize that opportunity so let’s talk a little bit about that briefly so how can we treat mental health and well-being as a strategic priority goal I agree investment in people it’s it’s key to it but how do we invest in our people on the mental health and well-being strategy and an integrated strategy looks like this in my opinion we’ve got awareness we’ve got people like me doing talks like this saying it’s okay to talk about your mental ill-health okay it’s okay to to say I’m struggling and I need some help like we would with our physical health like we need to because of how curved it is impacting us but if we’re getting people to be open and have role models and champions then we need to support those people who do put the hand up and say I’m struggling so we need support we need resources like EAP schemes in employee assistance programs mental health in-house counselors we need peer support networks we need we need champions internally mentor first aid mental health first aid we need benefits on the prevention side as well and this is where it gets interesting because like the example with Mark twig if we can invest in people to stop them getting ill or to move more towards that thriving end and this is an investment of time and resource and priority of leadership time which is important right now then we can actually really boost everyone and and have a more productive work force but we need to do this because people are struggling more with their mental health and anxiety and isolation and general levels of uncertainty so it’s it’s a necessity but it’s also a big opportunity so I’ll spend a little bit of time talking about what my drive our form but not too much because I know I’ve only got sort of five minutes but I want some time for you guys to get into the Q&A so financial well-being really important driver right now are we thank you Sam come on I’m on track even with my tech faffing around so that’s really helpful and so are we prioritizing our finances are we getting into them if we’re struggling are we aware how are we talking to our employees if we are struggling are we enabling our employees to do nutrition is a big driver of our mental well-being are we eating a balanced nutritious diet so I’ll be looking at how we use alcohol alcohol is a stimulant and a depressant and it kills recovery if we have that quite late at night so I’m not saying don’t drink alcohol I’m saying think about how you’re using you sleep one of the biggest gains of our mental health performance really easy to prioritize an extra 30 minutes sleep turn our tech off a little bit before bedtime have a good sleep hygiene exercise great boost for a mental health and and you know it’s good for our physical health

but also our mental health and I’m rushing through this I would normally spend a bit more time on it social connections we need to find ways to connect socially whilst we are physically distant I hate the word social distancing it should be physical distance and socially connected I’d rather call the lobby to change that really I think slate definitely will affect your form James and it’s a big one for me too stress management are we done and singer days with moments of recovery are we setting an alarm to get up every 50 minutes to stretch to get away from the screen away from the desk are we pursuing our hobbies yoga whatever it might be are we getting some fresh air balancing stress with recovery helping others big driver of our own well-being it’s kind of a triple ripple effect we feel good today feel good and then there’s a societal effect as well so there’s three positive effects of helping others and then yeah the social distancing one I can’t always get drawn back into the comments and deflected records I’m a bit of a DJ I saw them saying you know social dis dancing which is a much better one if we go use the word social but I prefer physical distancing social connectivity and then sense of purpose some of us will have our sense of purpose is eroded by the fact that we are not in the workplace or we work in different ways so we’re not seeing our colleagues so can we find that in other ways from our hobbies from what we’re doing and how we’re doing it so those are the pillars the drivers of our form or our mental health as I see them and as I talk about them so we’re gonna wrap up in a little bit but I’m gonna just spend a moment challenging you to a call to action so leadership starts with yourself it really does so can you make a personal investment in your own well-being can you put your own oxygen mask on first if you want to think about it in those terms because if we do that we can support those around us be a family members be a team mates be people we are leading as an organization and a leadership function can we make mental health and well-being a strategic priority of our business alongside accounting for cash alongside doing business alongside how are we going to trade out of the pandemic because people will remember how you made them feel and we need them to work pretty hard right now everybody’s working pretty hard so we need to make their well-being a strategic priority so my call to you is can we do that how are you today asked the question we need to be prepared to have the answer and use the score it’s a really easy way of helping people articulate how they’re feeling but ask the question and the use of the word today rather than how are you changes the emphasis because it’s more immediate how are you right now and then role modeling can we role model healthy behaviors and for me this is around yes if we do have a throttle ongdalsem it’s about it but it’s as simple as sharing a bit of vulnerability but you know showing that we are taking breaks that we are exercising you are turning off our tech that we are taking holidays and that will set a good example but the people we lead so I’m going to finish in my last minute with something my daughter Gabby drew for me and when I started being open about the fact that I have a mental health challenge publicly I realized I needed to be open with my children so I asked Gabby how do we look after our mental health and so she drew that at the top and then you’ll see though if you look carefully on the slide there’s little L above the end Gabby’s more concerned about the health of our lentils and for health and so I said okay Gabby how do we look after our lentil health and she said that’s easy daddy no accidents wear your helmet on your bike look after your head which was a great literal answer from a six-year-old at the time and so I said okay what about our brain then how do we look after our brain and she said think a lot and I thought yeah okay good answer again very literal I think too much sometimes and she’d do a little healthy brain at the bottom but yeah my brain looks nothing like that so then I said look Gabby I needed to ask her a specific question so I said Gabby if you woke up one day you didn’t want to play you didn’t want to get out of bed you weren’t feeling yourself you felt sad you didn’t know why what would you do Gabby looked at me like I was asking the most obvious question in the world she said daddy I would find someone who I love and I would tell them I would talk find someone who you love and tell them talk and so then I said to Gabby look if you went to school one day and this was in the days where schools existed for six-year-olds and nine year olds would you and you saw someone sitting in the

playground a bit reserved not looking at not playing like they would normally do or is looking very sad what would you doing and this time Gabby looked at me like I was a complete and utter idiot she said daddy I would go over and I would see if they’re okay I would ask if they’re okay because we over complicate a lot of things as adults and in society from a a six-year-old to things if we’re struggling with our own mental health find someone who you love or maybe someone who you don’t live in talk because talking is the start of the process to recovery okay but more importantly with our colleagues and it’s harder to do this now which is why the form score is a great tool but if you sense that a colleague is struggling but asking them how are you today actually just check in with them because we can see changes of behavior and I can tell you this of my words points of depression I didn’t always want to talk but it was super helpful to know that there were people available to listen so thank you for listening to me there’s my LinkedIn profile if you kept the LinkedIn with me and sorry for the technical hitches but really appreciate the opportunity to speak to you today and Sam how you doing um you Sam you’re mute I think there we go I was thanking you lots of rehearsal and so on but you know on the day slightly annoyed at myself but I’m definitely my score is back up to two and two and eight actually I’ve gone beyond the seven so I’m feeling pretty I lifted right now and it’s interesting the score because I did take the score and it surprised me because I sort of posted in them and I thought okay before I stepped into it I thought I’m feeling maybe about an eighth and actually came back and it said I was a I think it was a seven which surprised me because I was like oh maybe less than I thought but I think the questions that you asked a really pertinent is it’s not just about me it’s about how much how much touch point I have with the world around me and the people you’re on yeah absolutely and you know I think a it what I’ve noticed from doing these sort of polls is that people are cycling much more quickly than before because of the the challenges so giving ourselves a gift of a minute to reflect and notice what we are now we don’t often don’t need to do anything about that but it’s such a powerful gift of a minute at the start of the day and your phrase is really lovely actually I think you said invite yourself to notice we don’t really we we rush out of the day I know I do I jump out and you know today’s gonna go go but it is important to notice and the more we notice they’re more attuned and I’m sure you felt this the more attuned and quickly quicker you pick up on what you’re feeling what you’re thinking yeah I think that’s right and yourself awareness with mental health it’s a gift and people like me you’ve had a challenge generally have built up their self-awareness because we’ve had to to survive so we know it drives our mental but a lot of us haven’t done that if we’ve had generally quite good moderate mental health we’ve never had to work out what’s driving that and for something you know for me it’s really really individual so for me it’s exercise social connection sleep and and now a sense of purpose but for others it could be managing stress better it could be financial security and add wellness you know so there’s lots of different factors but building up that self-awareness is a real gift to ourselves so let me I have questions there’s a question that came in from Catalina and she says the last few months have had a significant impact on our mental and social well-being the good news is that we’ve seen in many organizations a process of destigmatize ation of mental health issues and she says albeit in many cases in a pretty superficial way the bad news is that a lot of leaders are keen to go back to normal all we’ve gained an understanding and willingness to help might be lost how do leaders ensure that a mental health stays high on the agenda of organizations and the second part is take concrete actions to improve the well-being of their teams well it’s a really good question and I think yeah the way organizations come through this challenge will be driven by the strength of their leadership and how they face up

to it and there’s a number of aspects of that but I think leaders that ignore the mental health and well-being as we come out of this of employees will struggle because they’re you know that quote of that people will remember how you made them feel it’s really important on this one because actually you know with that our world rocked and we’re adapting to that we’ve survived on adrenaline to do that to adjust and and you know we’ve got the frustrations and the different challenges of how covert is impacting our mental health which is varied depending on your personal circumstance and then we’re going to go back into the workplace in some physical way at some point and feel psychologically unsafe for a while so organizations that do not address this will lose the trust of their employees I think it’s really fundamental and I don’t mind saying who it is I was on an all-hands call with PwC in the Middle East relatively soon into the crisis I was alongside the CEO the chief people officer and I got as much airtime as either of them – about 6,000 people and and it’s it’s choosing to prioritize it and I think organizations that don’t do it will news out but I think employees will demand it because employees about to give a lot in whether it’s being furloughed whether it’s adapting to working at home on an ironing board with who you know that’s their only desk working with four hands to a room whatever it might be at different levels they’ve given a lot and they will demand it of their employees so I’m an optimist I think this will help us on the mental health agenda and I think we’ll see some longevity of it because I believe it will enable us to create a more human world and you know it’s potentially it’s up to us to keep the pressure on our employers to to it to address these issues and deal with them and not let them fall off the radar and some other questions we actually have a gentleman who’s in an ICU to us and his comments briefly a balance is always the key stigma breaking requires huge courage and self-confidence isolation drives me stir-crazy even having family isn’t the same as physically meeting colleagues in work and actually that reminds me of a comment that Margaret – in our keynote speaker and said in an interview was you know one of her one of her clients had said she was even missing the employee all the colleagues that she doesn’t like just that social contact right whatever it is that dynamics missing right there’s a question from Adrian I think it’s really important to talk openly about how people are feeling to normalize it create an open trusting culture I used to get people to score how well they were feeling 1 to 10 in a team meeting if anyone was 5 or below I check in outside of the meeting rather than force them to speak inside the meeting so that’s another great way to keep it on the agenda this question however occasionally I worried it wasn’t right to ask everyone in the meeting what do you think yeah and I think with with this I used the word invite again I invite people to share their scores if they feel comfortable so the poll we did today is an anonymous poll but I think in team meetings we can’t put pressure on people to say how they’re feeling if they’re uncomfortable doing so so most most cultures that have adopted it I think adopt to it gradually and people become more open but actually we’re not we’re not asking people to disclose whether they’ve got schizophrenia or some of the more heavily stigmatized bipolar disorder conditions where ask people to say how are you feeling about your well-being today and the use of the number there I think is is helpful in diminishing the the fear of talking about it but I think you know how we how we investigate it so the leader sharing first to share to create that safe space is important you know I always talk about my score and why I’m I am what I am but I think making it making it clear that it’s ok if people don’t want to share or maybe you want to check in individually so it’s a really good point we need to just ease people onto this journey I think and I think I I agree I think Trust is a big part of their Adrian’s just added that that that the team seem to really like it so well done Adrian I obviously established that trust some lots of other questions so just one try don’t miss great stuff Rob do you think we simply have a better

understanding of the 200-plus mental health conditions and so are more aware of how prevalent it is or do you think it’s a case that societal issues are negatively affecting people’s mental well-being and so more and more of us are experiencing life form more often yeah so it’s a really good question and I think the answer is both so we are not only understanding conditions better but we’re creating we are creating that process of D stigmatizing particularly in the UK we’re actually pretty good at this so people are becoming more comfortable disclosing when they they’ve got anxiety or depression or whatever it might be them saying I’ve got a bad back I’m not coming into work today so you know once you start creating that culture the numbers will go up but I think even pre pre-pandemic there are some structural things that are causing a rise in common mental health challenges like depression and anxiety the interaction with social media the culture of perfectionism the loss of our community and support networks were all very disparate and then layering on that you’ve got the challenges that are specific to the pandemic of isolation of lack of loss of social connection of general levels of anxiety and fear of the future so I think we are being more open which is great but there are some structural things both pre and and because of Co vid that will be causing a rise in mental health challenges for sure and another question do you have a comment to make on positive stress I find that purpose is an issue for me especially in this coded world and actually when stress is present I feel much happier and we’re stable yeah so this I can’t remember the name of the curve but there’s a good there’s been a lot of research on this which is the kind of is I think it’s helpfully named the arousal curve this there’s a level of stress that tips you over into unhealthful stress and there’s but actually we need so stress is a physiological stress is flight-or-fight it’s adrenaline and cortisol getting the body to prick that’s why the run or fight for its life we need that to do this to present to to hit a deadline to do our jobs where stress becomes chronic and not balanced with the recovery that’s the problem so I think how we term it is interesting so we need we need the impetus and the motivation to perform but actually we need to to balance that with moments of recovery so stress is required to do a job not recovering from stresses it’s typically what people mean when they say they’re too stressed because they’re overthinking it they’re ruminating so for me it’s I need that to perform as well but I need to balance that with riding my bike in there so we get back to balance so you know I think in that particular case a bit of stress yeah a bit of motivation a bit of impetus is required that’s okay yeah and and to longer time with your with our nervous system under strain is not good longer-term health wise right yes correct so it’s this might yes we the world mindfulness is overused but it’s taking those mindful moments in the day there could give us a break from that stress and allow our parasympathetic nervous system to to go the other way and rest and digest and and and you know recover because when we run away from a saber-toothed tiger back back home and all this was developed we would then rest and recover from it all but we go from one stressful challenge to another that’s when it’s the problem so you know just set the example I gave setting an alarm every 50 minutes of the hour to get it up and get away from everything you’re doing is really helpful and you will be more productive and I think we can squeeze in one last bit someone’s asking to learn more about the app yeah so I’ll post I’ll post a couple of things in the chat afterwards but basically we’re evolving that form score into an app that allows people to post their score but also check in with others so you’ll see people in your network and then you’ll be able to support people whose scores are moving but you would choose who’s in that Network so it’ll be called forum and I’ll put some links in the chat so you can kind of follow it and we’ll be in the App Store in July which is really exciting brilliant thank you so much Rob brilliant any final comments before I’ve just got and some announcements and notices yeah so so for me on this agenda the mental health agenda is as leaders of workplaces don’t be afraid to get into it and don’t be afraid to start because even the most advanced companies out there on this are in the foothills of where we need to be so it’s getting on the journey and starting because your employees will

value what you do thank you you